Chaos to the left! Chaos to the right! Ra Ra Ra - chaos all night! Join the ladies for a very special/chaotic episode
Chaos to the left! Chaos to the right! Ra Ra Ra - chaos all night! Join the ladies for a very special/chaotic episode
We cover everything from lines, to mascots, to weird 80s hoard games!
Jamie presents a very special cringe adjacent true crime story. Trust us, you’re not going to want to miss this one! (Trigger warning for this part)
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My sister and I went to Hayes city store, which is a little bar restaurant thing and driftwood and I highly recommend it. If you haven't been, it's good. But I'd never been there before. So I was gonna go wash my hands. I went over to the bathroom, and there was what I thought was a line of people waiting to pay. So I walked past all those people. And then I throw open the bathroom door because sometimes I have weird strength and I don't realize
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and somebody was on the toilet, just like fucking yeah What did they say?
Unknown Speaker 1:01
They just kind of like Oh, of course I closed the door went to sit back down. And like waited a while because I didn't want that to happen again. Well, when I went back, I realized like, it wasn't a cash register. It was just somebody putting in orders and they were all waiting for the bathroom fuck is her prom. Wow, I look like such an asshole. Close to there.
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I know if I saw someone do that. I wouldn't be like, What is this? Beatrice prom? Yeah, like I'd be kind of
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annoyed. And slightly enraged. But I would think that you were mad at something or something called Web you like man, what the fuck sadder her way. But you're just like, I don't know what's going
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on out there waiting to pay. They definitely weren't.
Unknown Speaker 2:04
Yeah, I might have skipped some people. When I was going to return an Amazon package. They have like the whole foods drop off. But it's kind of weird because they have like a kiosk right next to the like the desk that does it. So like there's a kiosk where you return things, and a desk where you can return things or pick things up. And so I was like, Hey, I'm just returning things. That's a shorter line. I'm gonna go there. And then like, maybe five minutes after I gotten that line, someone on the other line was like, is this? Yeah, they're like asking what the lines were for. I was like, oh, fuck that. I like skip people. But I was like, I was in that mode where I was like, I don't even care. Yeah, like I need I just Yeah, I just want to get in and out. And I'm sorry. But these, there's two different lines. And if they didn't know that, then I am an asshole today. And that's okay.
Unknown Speaker 2:53
that have happened at Mojo and I went to go get our coffee, because they have a thing. Now, I don't know if you've seen it since you've been but they have two lines now. And there's a sign that's like, pick the shortest line and then it kind of like bottlenecks. And then you go into one line to pay. Well, there were like five cars in this one line. And I was like, you're supposed to pick the shortest line. So and the other one, and it made me first in line. And I was like, they're gonna think I'm cutting but I'm just like, following like, the traffic flow. Yeah. And I was kind of like holding back so that a couple other people could go ahead of me. And then this lady was like, the lady that worked there. It's like, oh, go ahead. You know, like, they weren't reading the directions. So like,
Unknown Speaker 3:37
when? Yeah, and then. I mean, I've kind of been in that situation where like, maybe I didn't see the directions and then like, I'm just like, What the fuck is this person doing? And then I'm just really upset at myself when I realized that it was my my fault, but I'm waiting. Um, but welcome to nervous laughter podcast. Everybody
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welcomes a podcast about lines that we don't understand.
Unknown Speaker 4:03
Yes. And just gonna say we are feeling chaotic. chaotic.
Unknown Speaker 4:07
Yeah, our families are weird and life is weird. And we have cold brews.
Unknown Speaker 4:14
Which is very delicious. By the way. Thank you for picking those up. Yes, of course. I was telling Alyssa that that drive thru makes me nervous for Well, one because they have the person with an iPad taking your order.
Unknown Speaker 4:29
For some reason I don't like that either. I'm like I'm not ready.
Unknown Speaker 4:31
Yeah. And I'm just like, I don't have like the full menu, like, and they're just like come the window. They're like, what do you want? And it's kind of like, what do you have? Um, but also, when you leave the drive thru, there's this weird little part that sticks out so you're supposed to kind of like, turn a little bit when you hit okay, yeah, and I just fucking went over that and I was just like, I'm a fucking dumb bitch because I was so awkward at the drive thru, like, making things take longer.
Unknown Speaker 5:06
They're telling me about your life. I'm like,
Unknown Speaker 5:11
Yeah, I think one girl she was, I don't know. She was like, Oh, what are you going to do? And I was like record a podcast. And she's like, Oh, cool. Yeah, I have school after this. And I was like,
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you don't want to know about my
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dad asked me more about a podcast, but it was kind of like, awkwardly quiet. So I was like, What are you going to school for? Um, yeah. Oh, sorry, coming down from someone's like, like chaos. Yeah, my brains been like that. I changed my name. This past week. So if you notice, Jamie currently instead of Jamie Thompson, that's That's why
Unknown Speaker 5:53
glad you said it was fun. It was Crowley's we say it again. Crowley
Unknown Speaker 5:57
so it's Croley is how they pronounce it. I think at some point it was. Crowley like Aleister Crowley Crowley? Yeah. I'm sorry. That wasn't that was like me confirming in my own brain.
Unknown Speaker 6:12
I don't know how to say it.
Unknown Speaker 6:15
But there I think there was like some family drama that happened somewhere down the line. And so half of them went with one pronunciation, but it's a different pronunciation. Um, I did tell Brandon that I was going to pronounce it a Crowley just so it's more like metal and badass. But you know, I'll, I'll do it the right way. I'll do Croley I guess. It only took me three years. It's been three, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, I
Unknown Speaker 6:46
got to do and here it is. whines again, lines. So we don't understand like,
Unknown Speaker 6:53
yes. Like I. So sorry, I'll get to this in a second. But it took me a while to get to it. Because like, We got married in Mississippi. And I was like, Cool, change my name when we get back to Texas. So we went on our honeymoon. And then we got back to Texas. Then we had to go back to Mississippi for my sister's wedding. I was like, Cool. I'll change it before the end of the year. Um, and then my oldest sister went into a coma. And then like, My life just got super fucked up. From that point on for a while so and then a global pandemic. Pandemic and I got what not fired I got let go and then just lots of depression. And but we're here now. Just know that you weren't, you guys weren't the only ones that suffered all kinds of crazy, weird, weird shit around. That was like, the coma thing happened. And then we were looking at getting a house. So there was just like, lots of things going on. And then I was like, okay, I can like a couple of weeks before the pandemic hit. I was like, okay, we can kind of like finally kind of start getting back on track now. And then just like, No. As I'm sure many of you can relate to. But yeah, so with this name change thing. I waited for like three hours at the Social Security office. Which like, I was like, I knew that's what was gonna happen. So like our headphones and everything. And unfortunately, I had to take breaks from my headphones off and on and there was a person there playing an instrumental version of let it go for their child on fucking repeat. And like, I'm not lying, like it was like eight to 10 times. Maybe that might maybe a little more because I even heard it as I was leaving. Um, I was just like, but at that point, I was just so happy to be like, getting out of there. I was just like, Fuck you guys. Enjoy. Um, so yeah, which I guess I prefer that over like a child like screaming their head off. But it's also just kind of like, so inconsiderate variety or something. I mean, headphones for the child
Unknown Speaker 9:13
to hear it is so fucking rude. Like you're not the only person in here.
Unknown Speaker 9:18
Yeah, and like someone on Facebook had said they're like, I hate that. Like, just being in public with like, in the same space as a child makes like everyone involved in the parents. Have you ever seen parents get mad? I've let me edit that with moms because I've seen it happen with moms not really dads, but get mad that someone doesn't like wave back at their child.
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No, I
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haven't seen that. No. Like,
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always way better baby. I'm like, Cool. You can't talk or do anything dumb. Yeah, like a way that you? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 9:56
well, so one time on Because I think a good example we were eating somewhere on the riverwalk in San Antonio. And there was a table next to us that had parents and a couple other kids. And a boat was driving by how they do the tours. And the little kids are waving every time a boat die. And then like one boat of people like nobody waved because they probably weren't looking at this child eating their food. And the mom was like, I so rude, and like inconsiderate, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, why they might not have even seen your child. Like, what,
Unknown Speaker 10:34
then was a weird thing I've never thought about happening. It happens though. So I was listening my phone, it's on vibrate, but for some reason, it's been vibrating 1000s of times, even though nobody's talking to me, so I'm gonna fix that. Fine. It's part of the chaotic,
Unknown Speaker 10:56
it's almost like annoying. Why? Because it keeps going off. It's like, oh, do I have something? Like, no,
Unknown Speaker 11:02
no, I'm just like, shut the fuck up. I'm gonna get destroyed.
Unknown Speaker 11:07
I remember one time, um, this was not on this podcast. It was when I was trying to do a true crime podcast. Before this one. We it was me Carrie and Jason. And we just started recording and then like, my phone started vibrating. And then just, I just took it and I just threw it across the room.
Unknown Speaker 11:31
That's definitely something I would do. They just looked
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at me and I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't know what to do. Like, I just keep going. That's awesome. Um, but okay, so sorry. Again, we're feeling chaotic today.
Unknown Speaker 11:47
Bamboo, do you want to say hi,
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we have a very lovely lady with us today.
Unknown Speaker 11:51
I'm not even going to try to move the microphone. I don't know how to I always do weird things with it. They hype up Whoo. That's very talkative cat. It's not going to talk.
Unknown Speaker 12:04
She's like hoarding. Um, I can kick off with a story that I heard a couple of weeks ago, the Baltimore Ravens mascot was doing like a like a kid's game thing or whatever. And he got injured during the game. And I guess he got injured pretty badly. So he was just kind of sitting there but like the paramedics thought that it was part of like his mascot show. And mascots like aren't allowed to like talk. And so he was been on the field for a while until they like realized he actually needed help. Like, I don't know, if I was a mascot, that would happen to me, too. But I just thought it was funny because it's like, you know, they're like, Oh, it's a kids game. So there's no way you can get hurt. And you probably just like, twisted his leg weird and got fucked up and sitting there in silence in pain.
Unknown Speaker 13:11
That is another weird thing I've never thought about, like, not talking and you know, like, what if they just like had a heart attack or something? And they're like, What's Wrong Little Bear or whatever the fuck you Yeah, like oh,
Unknown Speaker 13:27
are you acting are so cute and stuff and it's just like dying. Um, I don't know if there's any other like weird rules for mascots. Um, but I remember when I was in high school, um, we decided to have a mascot so like, we didn't have one for a long time but
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early race
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we were we were the Oh yeah, yeah. Um, so yeah, we were the Hawks. And not to brag but our football field after a while or hold on sorry. Maybe my senior year their junior senior year. We named it the bright far field. We had a nice a nice statue of them erected in the football stadium too. So that was nice.
Unknown Speaker 14:27
We're high schoolers just like taking pictures pictures with it like grabbing his deck and stuff.
Unknown Speaker 14:34
We did do that. I don't think I have any pictures but I remember some my friend took with it. And I if I'm not mistaken. They did put a like little gate up around it after a while. But yeah, so So anyway, we got a mascot. And it was like a popular cool guy in school that one It was really funny. I had no qualms with him directly but other people did. They were justified. on again off again douche to some people a conditional douche I guess you could say. But aren't we
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all? Yeah,
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overall nice guy. And then there was this one guy that wanted to take up being the mascot after he was gone. So there was like a transition period. And like, man, he fucking hated that guy, like, and I just, I don't know, I just remember a lot of awkward situations where like, the new mascot would kind of try to do something cool. And then the guy that used to be the mascot was like,
Unknown Speaker 15:41
yeah. It's so weird. It's like a day in high school and do it forever. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 15:49
I wouldn't be in high school forever. Um, but yeah, I don't know, I don't know if he just kind of got mad that it was being passed off or being passed off, like that particular person. Um, because the so the way that person looks, I don't know, the way they look and the way they act from like, what I got of them. I feel like they're going to just grow up to be like a Republican politician that tries to ban abortions. And they might not be for that. They might be totally against that and stuff. But that's just the face. If you saw the face, you'd be like, yes, that's exactly. That's exactly. That's, it would be like,
Unknown Speaker 16:30
Well, what was she wearing? Why does he want to be a mascot if he's all business?
Unknown Speaker 16:38
Oh, he's business assume it's just the face. But his um, he was one of those kids that like really, really wanted to be that guy. Like the fun popular like, I'm the funny goofy guy, but he was just too buttoned up. Sort of for that. Um, yeah, I just remember quite a few people at that school that were like that. And I mean, looking back I feel bad because there's nothing wrong with that because they were brought up in a non chaotic household was like, what some things maybe on some level we would be boring though. If we were.
Unknown Speaker 17:30
That's true. The spicy memories had some interest.
Unknown Speaker 17:37
It burns coming up. Um, so yeah, that was just my mascot. Tangent. I don't really think any other mascot related memories. Either. Did you have my high school mascot? Georgie
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Eagle? Oh, yeah. Oh, well, we
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had a hawk non equal. Okay. But we're
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Damn they both have the three fingers that we're trying to do Fallon's? Yeah, nothing.
Unknown Speaker 18:05
Bird fingers. I mean, chicken fingers are a thing. So
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that's true. Delicious. I think I maybe went to like, one football game and the park was right next to the stadium.
Unknown Speaker 18:21
And you had a choice at all one.
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Yeah, we were going to try to like sneak off to the park to smoke weed but it didn't work. And then I never went to another one. But when you started bringing up mascots, my sister and I are going to Disney in a couple of weeks. And I was thinking about the people that play the characters. There are some really fucking cringy videos with the characters. Like God, I saw this one. Because I mean they like they are that character like they have to be like 100% in the zone. You know? They're like super strict about
Unknown Speaker 19:03
acting or whatever. Yeah, that's like a big deal. High quality and Disney actors This
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is fucking Ariel.
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Which that's a whole nother tangent
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this week but if he thinks the new Ariel's not good then fuck you. Off Go fuck yourself. You
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care about dumb shit. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 19:29
I saw this one and this chick went up to guest on you know the guy from beating the beat. Yeah, yep. And
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now I have the song stuck in my head. I'm sorry.
Unknown Speaker 19:42
He can sing it for us. If you want to know what the tough like gets done. No one's falling. Along they're like oh
Unknown Speaker 19:58
oh, wait. Yeah, the lady lady boners. Right? Yeah, okay. Yeah, cuz we sent Boehner I was like, Yeah, Lady but yeah, I just remember being like super pushed together and being like guests on.
Unknown Speaker 20:10
Some of the cartoons are pretty hot though how they draw. You like, Oh,
Unknown Speaker 20:15
okay. Yeah, like I know everyone has the hots for like Lola Bunny. Yeah and stuff. So.
Unknown Speaker 20:21
But this chick went up to guest on and I mean, she pretty much assaulted him. I don't remember what she did. But did you say it? I
Unknown Speaker 20:30
think so. But continue. It's like coming back.
Unknown Speaker 20:33
Yeah, I don't remember how she grabbed him. But she grabbed him on a suggestive way. And he like, I think he took her by the shoulders and like walked her away and was like, you're done. You cannot be here like, you cannot do that. He's like, damn,
Unknown Speaker 20:50
like, his pecker pecker muscle or something? I can't, I can't recall. But yeah, it was like, yeah, good for him. Yeah, fucker. And I'm going to work. Yeah, he's at work, acting like a fucking cartoon character. That has to pretend like everything's okay. Give this guy a break. Yeah, like, come on. I mean, you don't go to a strip club and touch the girls. You don't go to Disney World and like group, the group the character.
Unknown Speaker 21:18
But that'll be an interesting thing to look up. I'm like, surely there's tons of weird encounters. Like,
Unknown Speaker 21:25
the character for sure. Um, I don't think this is true. I wanted to like prepare like a whole Disney thing. So maybe I'll do some better research on it. But have you heard of like the communal underwear. Supposedly, like underwear that they all had to share for the costumes. And this was like, a super duper long time ago. Like, and so I have to like go back and like confirm if that was just a rumor or true. But if you were a you know, Disney. I don't call them employees. What do they call them?
Unknown Speaker 22:00
I have some fun name, or probably just call them all like
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actors or some shit. Um, but yeah, so that was a thing. I'll try to find more info on it. Don't fucking quote me. Don't come at me because I'm not sure isn't
Unknown Speaker 22:15
a underwear. Underwear sharing police don't come in.
Unknown Speaker 22:20
Um, Oh, and speaking of working at Disney. This is another little tangent. I remember. So I remember this one chick. In high school. She was um, she was I guess I'll just describe it as very well off. And you know, she was a cheerleader. Good grades president of clubs. And she was like,
Unknown Speaker 22:43
not a chaotic. Yeah, no, she
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had a loving household. Loving and, um, what's that word supportive? Um, yeah. So she was like, I'm gonna go and like, you know, I'm going to be amazing in the world and like, work at Disney World and stuff. And so she got accepted to Disney. And she was like, Yeah, I'm gonna go work there. And I'm gonna be awesome. Um, but they just had her working at like a fryer. Oh, um, so it was kind of like a big like, disappointment. But for one. Maybe I sound douchey just like talking about like that. But it was also kind of like, that's what it's like having a fucking job. Like, you don't? I don't know, leave start with the shooting don't work out a job. Like what it is and want to be a princess? Yeah, I think she might have um, I don't know, she just I think she removed me as a friend off Facebook. It's fine. Um, but I was confused because I was just like, why? Um, and then I can't remember. Maybe I blocked her. I don't know. But sometimes I get in that mode. If someone just like deletes me off, or removes me on Facebook. I'm just like, and I'm never gonna talk to you again.
Unknown Speaker 24:06
Oh, man, Jason has a good story about deleting somebody off of Facebook. He went through and kind of like thinned out his friends list. And he was like, Oh, I'm never gonna see this guy again. Like, there's nothing wrong with him, but I'm just gonna go ahead and delete him. And he went out to lunch. Like, I don't remember if it was the next day or like a week later, but he saw that guy at lunch. Just delete.
Unknown Speaker 24:35
The guys say anything or even like notice,
Unknown Speaker 24:37
no, but I'm sure he went home and was like, Oh, get on Facebook. See what Jason's deleted?
Unknown Speaker 24:44
What the fuck did I do to him? And like, I know that some people like removing people off Facebook isn't a big deal. Some people it's a bigger deal.
Unknown Speaker 24:54
For me, it takes effort to like go remove someone. So yes, like what did I do? Who? But yeah, I also know sometimes just take it with a grain of salt. But I might block your ass. So yeah,
Unknown Speaker 25:08
watch out think about that. Watch out. Oh back to Disney. I was telling my sister that we had talked about like doing a Disney deaths and like a Disney deep dive through it and she was like, Can we do that after the death? So I was like, Oh, I didn't I wasn't gonna bother me died any second. I mean, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 25:35
Myself being here.
Unknown Speaker 25:38
This fan could fall down but it'll be spinning so fast that it cuts all our heads off. Yeah, well, that could happen.
Unknown Speaker 25:45
So I know that can't happen. Because I had the top bunk of a bunk bed and I got locked up so much by the fan.
Unknown Speaker 25:53
Dude, putting your fucking hand in the fan. It just like makes me full of rage. The worst? Did you ever get your
Unknown Speaker 26:02
head? I got my head a few times. I got my leg a lot, because I tried to like, I tried to make it to where my feet were more towards the fans and like my head smart. Um, so yeah, I take a lot of my sleep. So I would just wake up like, on my foot. And yeah, sometimes I got my head but not, not too. Not too bad. Um, but sorry to I don't mean to derail from Disney more, but I'm on the random death notes. So I'm Deathnote not like the anime. But I guess there's deaths that occur like, I don't remember how many but it's mostly common in like, older adult women like 40s or so. But yeah, like the beach. I guess there's a thing where umbrellas just kind of get picked up by the wind and just go fucking spear somebody was Yeah. Whoa, I
Unknown Speaker 27:05
never thought of that. It makes sense now that you say it, but that's not something I ever would have
Unknown Speaker 27:13
neither. Me neither. I would have never, never, ever know. And it makes me never want to go to the beach. Like again. Which I don't mind because I don't care about the beach all the time. Like I'd rather like sit across the street from the beach and look at it than like, beyond the beach. Um, but yeah, so be careful out there on the beach.
Unknown Speaker 27:40
That's interesting. Another weird one that I've read about is and I think about it every time Raylene shampoos, my hair when I get my hair done is like leaning back over the sink. I guess. Like sometimes people have like, you know, fucked up their neck when they die. Oh, just because I really tell you we could
Unknown Speaker 28:00
learn nerve in a weird way or something. Yeah,
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so I haven't
Unknown Speaker 28:04
heard is that sorry. No, it makes me nervous. Because like a Brandon's mom had a friend that went to a chiropractor and got like, locked up, like paralyzed from the neck down. Like it was permanent. Yeah, we got it. Yeah. I mean, I'd have to like check back in. But like, yeah, that's it, she's just been paralyzed. So I try to tell people that with like chiropractors. And just because it scares me, I don't mean to put my finger on to them. But it's just, they're like, Yeah, well, I could fuck my neck up stepping out of a car, or whatever. I'm like, that's true. But also, like you're putting yourself in a situation where someone is grabbing your
Unknown Speaker 28:51
head in your body. That's coming from somebody that I went to a chiropractor for probably over five years. I mean, I went all the fucking time. And I was going to this guy. And he had been kind of weird. And he seems like a little too, like energetic. And I was kind of like, is this guy like on drugs? Like, what's going on? And one day, I was waiting for him. And it just got like, really, really anxious. And I was like, I need to leave. And then I left and I never went,
Unknown Speaker 29:22
Oh, well, maybe the day you would have been paralyzed? Yeah. Damn.
Unknown Speaker 29:27
So I don't know. I mean, I can see why people like it and stuff. And I'm not saying I would never go again, but I wouldn't let them adjust my neck.
Unknown Speaker 29:39
Yeah, yeah. Like parts of me are just like, Man, I really want to just try it out to have someone work all this stuff out. But I'm just like, just like skydiving just not worth the risk to me just it's a scenario that I can avoid, or that has worse that I can avoid all avoid it. And someone might say A Hey Jamie, you need to live a little. I'm living cautiously okay. I'm so I'm having fun. I'm having a great time I do parkour I'm just not going to have someone adjust my fucking neck and possibly paralyze me.
Unknown Speaker 30:13
Yeah. And plus I know of a chiropractor. I'm god, I hate this person so much. So I just feel
Unknown Speaker 30:27
everything rising in me as I talk about them. But um, ah, so they had like a criminal record and stuff. I think they had started going to school, but they never completed it, which was required to go to this like, chiropractor, cryo chiropractic, curry school. And yeah, so he just, like, faked all the documents and stuff gotten that is fucking license. This
Unknown Speaker 30:51
is somebody you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so
Unknown Speaker 30:54
like, Yep, they're just like, I'd be so fucking pissed if I found out the person fucking twisting, like my neck and shit. Like, did that. And he calls himself a doctor all the time. And this is something that's not like super clear to me. But like, from what I've researched, it's not doctor in the sense of No, a medical doctor. It's just a Doctorate of
Unknown Speaker 31:20
chiropractic. Yeah, that's not it. He didn't go to school for 12 years or whatever, it seems
Unknown Speaker 31:26
more just like a program you you go through that's focuses just on that. So but this person that I know is like, I'm a doctor now. And I'm like, I want to fucking punch you in the face. That's so hard. Cuz, like, report them when my sister was in the hospital. Well, he was like, tell told me what's wrong with her? Like, What did the doctors tell you? Like, he was gonna like, know everything and understand it and be able to fix that like, Dude, you fucking like, crack bones. And you got you faked all your shit to get to school? Like, fuck you.
Unknown Speaker 32:03
And chiropractors are typically antivax, which like,
Unknown Speaker 32:10
if people weren't in B know that. Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 32:14
I have a thing about it. Like, get into a queue. Speed. I think it's like that same pipeline. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 32:21
Man, I can't wait to explore all that more. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 32:25
I had gone I started going to chiropractors like when I lived in a smaller town. And like, they were fine. They were super nice or whatever. And then I moved to Austin, and I started going to this just happened to go to this one. And the company is Maximized Living and it's pretty cold tea. And I think it's kind of a scam you like pay up front for all these visits and stuff. And it was like more of a lifestyle thing. They're like, if you're gonna get treated by doctor, whatever the fuck like you need to come to these classes. And you're just like, General, the classes themselves weren't bad. I mean, it was just like, oh, yeah, you should eat like grass fed beef. I'm like, okay, like, they weren't that big of a deal. But then I was like, I'm not gonna come to these anymore. So it's not a requirement for me. Yeah. But, man, that's
Unknown Speaker 33:17
weird. Oh, yeah. And
Unknown Speaker 33:18
they had like, I remember specifically, there was a fucking poster on the wall. And it was talking about how there was like mercury in vaccines and like, oh, all this shit. Yeah. And how they were bad. And nobody ever directly talked to me and was like, Hey, you shouldn't like get vaccinated, but it was literally it was literally written on
Unknown Speaker 33:41
the wall. Anyway, do you? Did you have anything else that you wanted?
Unknown Speaker 33:49
Yeah, I have something that I bought at a garage sale this morning. So excited. So I got this game. I was originally like, I want to sell it. Because it's, it doesn't have a date on the outside. I'll look at it. But I really want to open it because I think the cards are gonna be funny. It is the Penthouse magazine loving game. Roommate experience.
Unknown Speaker 34:17
Oh, it looks like a cover of a romance novel. Yeah, it's
Unknown Speaker 34:21
I'll definitely be posting a picture but it's a couple of very, I think 80s looking people and they're sitting in front of a fire playing this game. So I thought it'd be funny
Unknown Speaker 34:32
to read some of the cards that looks lovely. On the back, it says the loving game. The loving game is a romantic board game that is ideal for two people, but can be played with four arms. Oh, hell
Unknown Speaker 34:48
yeah. It doesn't have to be an even amount of people. I'm not sure yes, that's four or more to four or more. This is so cool. So I'm coming over
Unknown Speaker 35:03
well I get this old there's the an order card from before the Internet where you can order Penthouse magazine items. There's another thing where I guess you can order cassettes, different penthouse stuff. Swimsuit video this is fucking cool. This is a good $3 investment.
Unknown Speaker 35:31
I like some of the names of these ladies they have on here. Feel free to read some Julie string Jamie
Unknown Speaker 35:45
Dion. Oh, that's almost you know, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 35:49
Leslie glass. Which that reminds me of the Brady Bunch from she's George. George George glass. I'm Natalie Lennox. Dominique St. Croix.
Unknown Speaker 36:08
So I was thinking it was going to be cards, but it has dice. Actual board game. See?
Unknown Speaker 36:18
Are you gonna like, oh, no, just like get naked and be like, It's time to play.
Unknown Speaker 36:25
So weird. So it says unlike other board games, the penthouse loving game is not merely an amusement, a way to pass the time. It's a learning experience, a way to strengthen your relationship and a sexy prelude to a night or day of fun. Oh, okay. Um, gonna read the rules. Basically, you just rolled dice. And I guess you have to answer the question it lands on so
Unknown Speaker 36:59
it's much easier card game.
Unknown Speaker 37:01
Yeah, it's a huge board. I don't know why it's this big. Let's see if there's any sexy questions. The first one is from appetizer to dessert. Tell your partner your ideal meal. No, I want some weird question. How
Unknown Speaker 37:19
was this gonna like open up a night to like, one night was promised on the cover of the box. In front of a fire like next. What was the saddest moment? I am not gonna open up about that when I'm trying to fuck my husband. Oh, man.
Unknown Speaker 37:49
Let's see. Oh, these are? These are sad. Do you think your partner will be 100% faithful to you for the rest of your life? This is so weird. Just it's so fucking weird.
Unknown Speaker 38:02
It just seems like a general like so. That questions really depressing. But it's also just like, this is this is not like a sexy. This isn't gonna put you in the mood. No.
Unknown Speaker 38:17
There's a couple these little kiss prints on here. Like as you go around the board, it's just it says kiss your partner passionately. So you're like, Okay, talk about watching your grandma die. Kiss.
Unknown Speaker 38:33
That might kind of like, pair some things together. Like Oh,
Unknown Speaker 38:37
yeah. Think about that. Oh, are you being 100% you when you're with your partner? Or are you being the person you think they would like? Oh, that's like, this is therapy? Yeah, philosophical. If there's anything bothering you, no matter what it is talk about it now. Maybe this isn't the game. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 39:07
maybe they put the wrong board.
Unknown Speaker 39:10
Let's see if there's any sexy ones.
Unknown Speaker 39:13
Well, what does it say? A romantic word on the under the
Unknown Speaker 39:17
romantic experience for two don't see how this this romantic. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 39:22
this reminds me more of like game show The the ultimate truth or whatever.
Unknown Speaker 39:29
I don't know that. Oh, I
Unknown Speaker 39:30
can't remember what it's called. I think we talked about before but the lady Oh, you're right. Did they have this lady she did a lie detector test before the show. They brought her on and they had her family just like sitting out and like watching her answer these questions again. So the thing was, she had to answer them truthfully, and if it lined up with the lie detector, then she would proceed to the next round get more money. Um, dude, it was like fucked up. It was like, Have you ever stolen from work? And she's like, Yeah, I went to jail for like embezzlement or whatever. And then she's like, Have you ever been unfaithful to your husband? Do you think that you shouldn't be married to your husband and like all of these things, and then they, at the end, they had the guy that she had an affair with, come on, and ask her a question. Yeah. And he asked, Do you think I'm the man you should be married to? And she was like, yes.
Unknown Speaker 40:36
That's pretty much this board game show.
Unknown Speaker 40:41
And to sorry, just shown how it wrapped up. The last question was, do you think you're a good person? And she said, Yes. And that turned out to be a lie. And she didn't get any money
Unknown Speaker 40:57
in her whole life. Like, I need to watch this. How old is it?
Unknown Speaker 41:04
I think it might be like early 2000s, maybe? Maybe late 90s. Kind of I mean, I don't keep up with game shows now but it's I think it was around the era of like super fucked up TV shows where it's like with like, hot or not when they have a club like super judgmental judges judging very hot people very harshly. Anyway, oh, game. I'm sorry. Oh, good. Okay, here's,
Unknown Speaker 41:33
there's a couple of sexy questions on this one. Tell your partner what sexual encounter this month was the best and why? Okay, I feel like that should be on this.
Unknown Speaker 41:46
I feel like that should have like started out.
Unknown Speaker 41:49
And then here's, I feel like these questions. Some of them were like this one. It's like, on a rating from one to 10 how sensitive was your partner to your sexual needs? Like, I feel like that could go wrong. Yeah. I mean, turnout Great.
Unknown Speaker 42:10
Yeah, and I mean, maybe you should discuss it but also like Yeah, but
Unknown Speaker 42:13
not when you're like playing a board game. Fun.
Unknown Speaker 42:18
Weird board game would take like a whole day to play like you land on the status moment that takes like what like maybe an hour to get settled down from
Unknown Speaker 42:28
all these fucking deforms I was just going to look through real quick and see if there's any gyms since this is fucking weird. Oh my god, from birth to President rate your life on a rating from one to 10 so
Unknown Speaker 42:52
this game wants you to analyze your whole life. It's before you have psychology game.
Unknown Speaker 42:56
Are you happy with your life?
Unknown Speaker 43:03
Whoa, dude, this is like they should have called this like, should you get a divorce? The game where you find out?
Unknown Speaker 43:11
There's like a handful of sex questions. Oh, this is one. Slowly move your hand around your partner's face.
Unknown Speaker 43:25
mentioned just like touching just like the middle and just like I'm just so much non romantic person. I can't imagine how
Unknown Speaker 43:33
to do that. I don't know how you would make that romantic.
Unknown Speaker 43:37
I guess just like a caress of the cheek. Yeah, still feels kind of like prompted like, Okay, I'm ready. Rub my face.
Unknown Speaker 43:47
It was very Fedora II it does. Be honest. Describe the real you to your partner.
Unknown Speaker 43:55
circles back to the other question of being 100% yourself.
Unknown Speaker 43:59
I want to say there's so this board obviously has four sides. Four edges. I would say on each edge there's like one to two sexy questions or things that are like kiss your partner but yeah, other than that it's a deep psychological discussion. What a twist. I did not do that. Come on.
Unknown Speaker 44:28
I'm so glad you didn't open it before the pocket.
Unknown Speaker 44:31
I wanted to but I was like, this is perfect. And yeah, this really went differently than I thought I don't know what I was really expecting but not not a therapy session not reading your life scale of one to 10
Unknown Speaker 44:48
divorce the game
Unknown Speaker 44:53
talked about childhood
Unknown Speaker 44:54
trauma the game I almost feel like I could even just like play that by myself just like me prompts to turn journaling.
Unknown Speaker 45:03
That was bizarre. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 45:05
So take that to your next couples therapy session
Unknown Speaker 45:10
or orgy. Yeah, that's what that make it sound like on the box.
Unknown Speaker 45:14
But imagine doing that with a group of people. All right, everybody. What if you were like the only one that landed on something super depressing and everyone else landed on like the fun sexy
Unknown Speaker 45:29
tell me how your parents let you down and and how it's affected you today?
Unknown Speaker 45:34
Well, I'm here. Oh, that's some that I feel like it adds to the chaos of today.
Unknown Speaker 45:46
Yeah, it's perfectly.
Unknown Speaker 45:50
Oh, did uh, so I just have to ask Sure. I would feel very weird purchasing that what was it like?
Unknown Speaker 45:59
I kind of did. This garage sale was actually pretty good. Um, they had a bunch of cross stitch stuff, like little kits, which I'm just gonna use for the materials. So I got those, the weirdest game and something else. So it had like, a bunch of items. So it wasn't too weird. Like, the guy actually asked me if I was a reseller. And I was like, No, really? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 46:25
No way. I would fucking buy this personally. So I have a little thing planned. So this might be a little bit of a longer episode.
Unknown Speaker 46:37
Feel free to cut out any dumb shit. I said, Make room for this, then
Unknown Speaker 46:41
we won't have an episode.
Unknown Speaker 46:46
Jamie hates me.
Unknown Speaker 46:50
Podcasts would not be successful without without you. Thanks. Um, let me open up my notes. So this is kind of a like tangent. until like, spooky, scary. Ville. Since you know, Halloween is coming up. Yeah, so I have this true crime story. I like the story a lot. And it always kind of, I'm not gonna say anything about it. I'll just say it's true crime. And it's definitely cringe at Jason's. And I know that this isn't kind of like the typical thing that we cover on this podcast. So I'm just gonna put this trigger warning upfront. Without giving too much away. The story contains kidnapping in some threats of sexual assault. So we'll take a brief pause here, while some of our lovely fat head listeners disconnect for now. Thanks for listening, and please stand by.
Unknown Speaker 47:58
Okay, so let's get started. Um, at any point, if you think you like, I feel like you might have heard the story before. So if you have like, you know, feel free to like chime in. Ask any questions, or you know, they'll just sing a song that stuck in your head, or comes up from any of this. Alright. Sabu come and talk. Alright, she does not want to do. Okay, so the story is a little long ish. And the cringe doesn't really come to later. So I'll, I'll let you know when the cringe is coming. I'll try to remember to tell you like when it's coming up. So you're not like anticipating the cringy thing all the time. Just like thinking everything is cringy. I mean, it all kind of is but you'll see. All right. So picture it. It's a beautiful Tuesday morning of March 4 2008 and Bunbury Australia. I'm sorry I don't know why I always have to start stuff off like this.
Unknown Speaker 49:01
It's because there's a golden girl any nine to 12 or whatever.
Unknown Speaker 49:11
I was a very big fan of The Golden Girls. Well your child so I am. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 49:15
yeah, that's really funny.
Unknown Speaker 49:17
Yeah. So a young 22 year old Julian Buchwald and his girlfriend who I will just call Jane for now because she was 17 years old at the time packed up their picnic for a packed up their vehicle for a picnic date. And before we dive in more, I just want to mention that they started dating around two years before this, so like 1722 they I mean, they do kind of have like a weird age gap. They met in church and they're like super religious. So they nothing like sexual was was going on during this time. And they had already like agreed that they were gonna get married. But it was just her like they're waiting on her age. And also we have to wait to get legally married cuz you're
Unknown Speaker 50:08
still a child. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 50:10
And she also wanted to finish her schooling and stuff like that. So anyways, that go on their picnic date. And Julian notices some roadkill as they're driving along. And so when they're driving, when they're driving to leave back on the way home, they pull over so he can check it out. And it was out of the view from where they parked. So like, Jane couldn't really see it, and she was just waiting on the car. So you know, he had to, like walk some distance back. They, they had told her parents that they were going to be backed by 3pm. And they were already cutting it pretty close. Um, so, you know, Jan was waiting. Jan was waiting in the car, and we'll just kind of like, well, it's taken a while. Um, so Julian kneels down to examine the roadkill. And he gets hit in the back of the head, enough to knock him unconscious. And so back to Jan at the car. And sorry, if I call her different names. I'm just trying not to use her real name. So I might have messed this up in my writing. Um, yeah. So Jan, is waiting while on slides just to go back and, you know, just go check on him. And after she exits the vehicle, a masked man dressed in all black like from head fingers to toes, tears off, charges her, tackles her in tears off all her clothes. And then proceeds to tie her up and then puts her in the back of the truck like in the trunk, so she can't see like where they're going or anything. A few hours later, the car stops by man pulls Jane out of the trunk and drags her away. He then shows her a shovel and begins and begins to dig a hole. She knows at this point that he is digging her grave. So yeah, she's super scared and just, yeah, that's it, she's dead. Um, so we put her in the hole and then left. So we're going to jump to Julian's, Julian's house, around 330. So this was like, you know, like 30 minutes after they said they'd be back. And so his mom realizes they're late. And she's so she goes out to wait on the porch. You know, they're still not coming home. So she starts to like, walk out to the street hoping to like, see them as soon as they come up the road. And she notices a plastic bottle in their chain link fence towards the end of the driveway, and just kind of shoved in there. And it has a piece of paper in it. So she goes to check it out. And she she takes the the note out of the bottle, and it contains some satanic symbols and read just saw your last thing. It made me laugh.
Unknown Speaker 53:31
Just thinking about the Satanic Panic. How fucking stupid
Unknown Speaker 53:34
Oh, yeah, that's like another thing that fills me with an insane amount of rage like you don't even
Unknown Speaker 53:44
Dungeons and Dragons is evil.
Unknown Speaker 53:47
There's so many like devil. i Sorry, I just I always think of like West Memphis Three. And there's probably lots of other people that suffered because of people being dumb as fuck. But anyway, the note read. I'm gonna try to I might try to think I'm gonna try to do an Australian accent but I might. I might fail halfway through because I'm not confident on it. Oh, you'll do great. So hold on, let me try to get it out. Crikey in the boat. Put it in the boat. Okay, you bloody It might sound a little more. More British. I'm sorry. I can't. It couldn't leave us alone. So your son and girl went out went walkabout. You get Gillian and Jane back when you finish your business in the area, but only if you behave yourself and don't shoot us around again. Tell everyone online. Tell everyone they're on holiday. Don't you dare talk to the cops again. Or go never get your kids back. Shoot us again and you'll never see them again. Cause will fuck up. will fuck the girl will fuck the girl to death and burn her body alive. And the bloody boy will really enjoy the torture and sacrifice. But this is my accent not the content. Sounds Australian Am I even the baby
Unknown Speaker 55:20
concentration on your face tears also really hard to like, share
Unknown Speaker 55:30
I know I'm sorry, I need to practice. Excellent.
Unknown Speaker 55:33
This is perfect.
Unknown Speaker 55:35
I've got to pay back 100 times. Oh, boy, a boy will really enjoy the torture and sacrifice I've got to pay back 100 times the heart. He did to us when we picked him up. This is your last warning. Do we do what we say? And the kids will come back in a live condition. And it was saying oh in a Oh God now I'm just so embarrassed.
Unknown Speaker 56:04
Oh, no, it was good. Um,
Unknown Speaker 56:07
so okay, there's, there's the letter that's done being read. She called the police and after they arrived, they were able to confirm that um, well, you know, they're just kind of like this might, they might have just ran away together blah blah blah whatever. And so they contact James parents and from there they found that Jane's family had actually received a note 10 days earlier that was kind of similar and like the handwriting match it had the same symbols it was also signed RNA and it just said basically along the lines of like mind your own business will destroy your family Wow ah but also that Christians are their enemies. So the police confirm that OMA stood for the order of nine angles, which is a cult I guess in the area and they believe that all Christians need to be destroyed and are like you know, source I don't know if this was a real cold I should have maybe looked that up or if this was just like I don't know if there's something that kind of started to happen there and didn't happen but
Unknown Speaker 57:30
I'm not saying that that's true because a lot of he Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 57:39
that's why we should have separation of church and state which is a very blurry jagged all over the place line that especially in Bible Belt. Anyway, that's another topic that fills me with rage some dislike. Ah, so um, let me see where was I at? They called the police. Okay, yeah, so um, so now with like, these, like matching notes and stuff, the police are like, Oh, well, they probably didn't like run away or whatever, because this this cold stuff, so they kicked off a big search that evening. So Bernoulli, we're gonna go back back to Jane and the whole um, so she's in the hole. The captor has left. And so after a while of trying to escape the whole wall, she's tied up so she can't really really escape the hole she's trying to get loose. So after a while, she could hear what she believed was Julian calling for help, which I watched him. He managed to escape from where he was being held at. He was also naked and tied up. But he was lucky enough to have found a knife on the ground. That was very lucky. Yeah, so I'm assuming it's like the kidnapper but dropped. So yeah, he was able to cut himself loose and just started going to yell for help, which I thought was kind of dumb because he might draw attention but I guess there was just something you know, he was panicked and willing to risk and I guess maybe looking for Jane. So, um, he finds her in the hole like I guess what the yelling she yelled back and then he he came and gotten the whole thing. Cut her loose because he still had the knife with them. And was telling her like, you know what he, what he remembered like getting hit in the back of the head and then woke up naked and found a knife. And so he helps out a little hole. And as they're leaving the area, they noticed a sleeping bag with some food and water wrapped up in it. So they're like, that's perfect. Let's take it and get the fuck out of here. So they're out for like days. After a couple of days, they wind up circling back to the original spot. Yeah. Which really sucks. But there was no one around. And it was actually kind of lucky because there is a backpack with food, water and a map there.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:55
Oh, wow.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:55
So they're like, Okay, cool. Like, someone might be here. Like, we'll take this one because they might come back like really soon if this backpacks here. Um, so that was on day two that they they found that and just continued trying to track through, figure out where they're going. And after seven days they were 50 miles north of like, an hour. But budget budgetary guy sounds like a fucking idiot. From Bunge, budgetary. And I believe it was called Alpine is where they were at. I'm sorry, let me find my spot in my news.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:43
How many miles per day is that?
Unknown Speaker 1:01:46
I don't know how many miles per day it was but they were found 50 miles north of of where they like started their picnic. Okay, so I don't even know how long they've been walking. But you know, like they're naked. The area they're at is super hot during the day, so they got like, some sunburns and stuff. And it was freezing cold at night. So it was just a bad situation. So they finally find a road and stumble out onto it. And a farmer driving along, sees them and stops to ask if they need help. And of course they they do they need help
Unknown Speaker 1:02:34
I get a little weary about stuff because there's those stories of like people faking being injured, like on different roads that maybe aren't as busy and then Yeah, fucking jump, whoever stops to help them.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:46
I'd be like, I'll call 911 for you.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:48
Yeah. Well, I'll let someone know you're here. Um, so they, they're rushed to the hospital. They have bad sunburn, lots of bug bites, scrapes and bruises but their overall and like fine condition, you know, they had just enough in water to not be like too badly damaged on the inside. So the police even though they did just go through a lot of trauma, the police start questioning them immediately so they can try to catch the the man as soon as possible. So you know, they asked him a bunch of questions, and then they go to check out the area where the farmer had picked them up at and they started a big search around that area. They wound up finding the area where the hole was dug, so where she was in the hole where they found the backpack and stuff. They from that area, they collected a shovel, duct tape and some rope that they collected for evidence. And they found out that all of these items actually belonged to Julian. So at that point, they started to interrogate him. Why? So recall the bash. Do you have any questions so far? I mean, recall the bash to the head that Julian received while examining the roadkill. One the roadkill didn't actually exist. Oh, and two they didn't really see like any kind of mark so they're like if you didn't get hit like it definitely wasn't enough to like render you unconscious like you're claiming. So what what happened? So while they were planning on getting married in one year, that meant that they couldn't have sex because of religious fit. Oh because we're the cringe comes in
Unknown Speaker 1:05:01
Are Christians okay? What the fuck?
Unknown Speaker 1:05:06
Yeah, it's, it's pretty Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:05:08
it's no.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:10
Yeah. So smart man devised a plan that would get them together naked. And keep in mind that this was like in the relationship like, like I said there was nothing special going on they had only like held hands. And so like, he was like, Cool. I'm going to devise this whole situation to just throw us into a scenario like this where we almost die. And so like, whenever they had to share the sleeping bag at night, you would be like, oh, you know, it was it was freezing and stuff, and they were naked during one sleeping bag. And he was just like, oh, we we need to have sex so we can make generate enough heat to stay warm. And
Unknown Speaker 1:05:56
this is a dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. It is so fucking stupid.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:05
Um, and so yeah, she. She was like, no, no, no. Yeah. And so like, he was trying to go that route. And then he was also trying to go the route of like, well, you know, like, before we die, we should get married under the eyes of God. And then under the eyes of God, we'll be able to have sex like it will be okay, and then we can make enough heat like that way. So he kept her out in the wilderness for seven days, naked with barely enough food and water getting her sunburn and just exposed to the elements to try to have sex with her.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:40
This is fucking blowing
Unknown Speaker 1:06:43
through some traumatic shit like she 100,000% thought she was gonna get like murdered. Like she watched a man dig her grave. And was
Unknown Speaker 1:06:52
like it was him taking the gradient taken. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:54
Yeah, so yeah, he Yeah, it was him that tackled her. Took all her clothes off. hogtied her put her in, in the trunk, drove her out. Fucking hours away. dug her fucking grave than he got changed and came back.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:12
That is so fucking you know what I almost said whenever you're talking about how they repost naked, I almost was like, oh, a baby's happy to see your boobs. But I was like, that's really insensitive. The plan? shouldn't laugh about their trauma. But no, that was his fucking plan this
Unknown Speaker 1:07:30
trauma for her, which I didn't want to like mention her name. If you like Google the case, you can find it but I was kind of like, Yeah, I mean, that's kind of fucked up that it all happened to her when she was you. So that is Yeah. And so there's a little more. Oh, okay. And we can definitely circle back and hash this out. Oh, and um, so he had a bag of stuff just like stashed where he said the roadkill was, so he changed and then like, ran up and tackled her and stuff. So yeah. Um, so yeah, so obviously, he was arrested. He got he was out on bail while waiting for a sentencing. And at that point, he decided to flee to Germany where he had family. So he obtained in Indian passport, and doctors his picture to it. And so first picture. He was Indian passport posing as an Indian man. So he tried to make himself I guess, look Indian and he's Pella Spock, like light brown hair, blue eyes. So he hit his head himself with some bronzer and dyed his hair black. And funnily enough that got him through Australia. Customs to India.
Unknown Speaker 1:08:54
If that isn't some Michael Scott shit. I'm sure his accent he was doing was
Unknown Speaker 1:09:01
horribly Yeah. Have you ever watched It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia? Yeah. When like de does some of her like outlandish characters. Yeah, I really imagine it being a Michael Scott D situation for sure. Um, obviously, whenever he got to India, they were like, Why are you angry? Yeah, like what? So that's when he got caught and the gig was up and he spent seven years and nine months in prison. He was sent to sort of that time in Germany because his Australian visa was expired. I don't really know a lot about that. It sounds like his he would get it took them a while to get a visa because he was lazy, maybe lazy about it. I know that stuff resource can take a long time. But from
Unknown Speaker 1:09:55
whatever we want. From the resources
Unknown Speaker 1:09:56
I've read, it seems like he was just maybe kind are lazy about it, let them expire and try to do his thing or whatever. But yeah, so So since he only served like seven years, like obviously he's out of prison now. I think last whereabouts noon is Germany. And if I had to assume like he probably changed his name, like, yeah, pretty shameful Yeah, because I haven't seen like any updates on it on him. And I did some like Googling around about it couldn't like find a shit ton. A lot of the stuff I found was the same. Oh, um, and I guess real quick, I'll note my sources. For this, I watched some YouTube videos by case file, crime zone. And Mr. Baldwin, who Mr. Baldwin's the best. That's the one that called me a bitch on accident. Thanks, Mitch. Um, so, yeah, those are good. I'd recommend going to check it out. If you want to just like maybe see more about it. It has a couple images. I'll have to show you the picture of his passport. When? When we're done. But yeah, I really tried to find more information, but everything I Googled, kind of just came up with the same things that were said in the videos. So I think I think the amount of information that's out there has been repeated.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:31
That this is fucking blowing my mind.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:35
I'm glad you like it. Oh,
Unknown Speaker 1:11:37
I do. I mean, it never should have happened. Like, what the fuck?
Unknown Speaker 1:11:43
Yeah, it's like, I don't know the length. i It's hard for me to wrap my mind around someone doing that, like, planning it all out? Like, yeah, what? Like, you would think at the point he was like, maybe driving to drop off his like stash bag. Before everything. He would think like, Hey, this is really fucked up. And I'm gonna fuck up this person's life.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:11
I just can't. There's so many questions like, my first thought. Why didn't I mean, I guess they didn't have sex. She didn't want to, but like they could have and then like, could have asked God to forgive them. And you know, they have their ceremonies where you become like a virgin again. So we're kind of taught somebody else. Yeah. Like, and then God forgive forgiven for that. Like, why would you choose? But
Unknown Speaker 1:12:40
yeah, well, he thought, you know, it would be a situation where like, we're gonna die and we need to do this before we die.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:50
Man, she showed him she was like, No, yeah, I stick to my morals. Yeah. though.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:57
I think I missed this part in the scripts. But yeah, I wrote like, yeah, major kudos to her. Yeah, like,
Unknown Speaker 1:13:02
what a badass.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:05
Like, I'm not gonna fuck you just because we might die soon. Anyway, like, fucking days. He tried for seven fucking days.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:14
I mean, another thing I think about it, I'm like, they've been outside for seven days. I wouldn't want to have sex with someone after seven days.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:22
I mean, like being outside, but like after being fucking kidnapped and traumatized and thinking I'm gay and running from a murderer. Like Jesus Christ, like this guy. Nothing else in this situation? Like, yeah, should I want to accidentally got them lost in the woods somewhere? Not like I say he should have went for that. No, he shouldn't have done that at all. But I'm saying natural.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:53
Like this. We're kidnapped and the fucking satanic letter like, when did he put the letter in the fence at his house? You know? Like, how did nobody see him do that?
Unknown Speaker 1:14:04
I don't know if he did that. Like before they left or just like whatever if I had to guess he probably like snuck in did that like before they took off? I don't super No. But man,
Unknown Speaker 1:14:21
wow. I'm glad that we live in a world where I mean like you and I and probably our listeners. We can just like have sex with somebody. Yeah, I mean, it's,
Unknown Speaker 1:14:35
it's it's fine. It's not life defining or destroying. Yeah, thing that happened to
Unknown Speaker 1:14:42
you. You don't have to commit multiple felonies. You can just figure out how to make that happen. And
Unknown Speaker 1:14:49
yeah. Yeah, it's just it's mind boggling, cuz. I don't know. I also think of like a Jodi Arias. some links like that guy because they were I don't I think they had sex.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:06
Yeah, pretty regularly. I think they tried to stop.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:09
I don't know if they just didn't do vagina stuff. or what,
Unknown Speaker 1:15:13
but who polo polo do the blue polo loop? I play return ever.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:21
But there was like, I mean, she's crazy. So I'm not trying to say like, maybe if their religious beliefs weren't so restricting they wouldn't have been so like weird about their sexual relationship and trying to like keep it secret and cut off and all these weird other things that led to like what's actually fueled murder
Unknown Speaker 1:15:46
that was the fucking wildest thing I've ever heard.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:49
And my, one of my favorite parts about that case is when she has she's hides behind his Christmas tree. She's knocking through the doggie door.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:03
So creepy.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:05
Um, all those trees that are on a 360 During Christmas, I want to like get like a cardboard cutout of her and just like put it like peeking by. Um, but back to the the story with this. Fuckin psycho SK. That was That's why I was mentioning that. I wasn't really sure if the cult was like real or not. I hadn't really looked into it. But just a colt that comes out and like writes these letters and draws like satanic symbols. And then they're like, We want to murder all Christians. It just sounds like it's made up by Christian.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:43
Yeah, that's a good point, too. I didn't really think about that. But yeah, I mean, you know, there's guys like the one we talked about before that feels oppressed because there's not Merry Christmas on the Starbucks. Like, people will go to some weird lengths to express their beliefs that no one asked them about.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:05
Yeah. Hmm. Almost like a like a cold itself,
Unknown Speaker 1:17:10
smidgen. Hmm. Oh, if you're interested in cold things, listeners, I told Jamie about this podcast. Oh, yeah. I think it's called sounds like a cold. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:17:23
I started listening to it.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:24
Oh, yeah. But they go into different little like, mini Colts. You know, they're like common everyday things. Like they did one on CrossFit, which I listened to. I was like, Oh, this was good. It's funny. And they did a youth group one. And that one was Oh, interesting. I need to listen to that. Was it like, um What's it called? Young Living? Or not Young Living? The MLM young life? Oh, no,
Unknown Speaker 1:17:53
that's not what I was thinking of. But sorry, I was thinking like a, like, Christian or like that Christian kid camp. Did you ever watch that? Oh, Jesus.
Unknown Speaker 1:18:02
Can I just Yeah. So far?
Unknown Speaker 1:18:05
Was it related to that kind of,
Unknown Speaker 1:18:07
they mentioned that, but mostly, they were just talking about, like, your run of the mill. You know, youth groups, how they, like infiltrate schools, like the main myth, poll thing and stuff.
Unknown Speaker 1:18:24
Now, I understand why, like, the Church of Satan and stuff. Yeah, I was kind of confused about it for a while. Like, because I don't know I've had people tell me because they're like, oh, no, it's not like actual, like oppose Christianity or whatever. But I'm just kind of like, well, it like wouldn't exist if Christianity didn't exist. So in my mind, I'm just like, and but now I'm just kind of like go for it. Fucking go for it. You know? And I mean, not saying like, they attack Christians or anything like that, but they bring things up that like, level the playing field, like getting that statue of Baphomet put up and stuff
Unknown Speaker 1:19:08
like that. So yeah, yeah. If you're gonna do it for one you got to do it for yes. All of them.
Unknown Speaker 1:19:17
Um, oh, and on that podcast that you were talking about? They had one about the Jared Leto coat cult. I have no idea. I listened to I think just a little bit of it. And I've just started like walking some stuff on YouTube before I went to bed and like, I want to dig into that more. I've been very interested in it. Yeah, me too. And it annoys me that nobody seems to care about it. Yeah, they're
Unknown Speaker 1:19:43
like, Oh, he's the famous guy like it's fine. Yeah, he's hot. It's okay. This fucking celebrity worship that is present is wild. Celebrities can do anything. Yeah, it's fine with every not everybody but You know, the general public is like, yeah, like, I think Halle Berry had like a hit and run in Sudan or something. Really? Yeah. And then everyone was like, Oh, whatever. Yeah, like she's nice and pretty. There's just so much shit like that.
Unknown Speaker 1:20:15
That's yeah, that's that's really frustrating. And yeah, like Jared Leto like, I don't know, everything's he's, he's done, but it sounds like he's had a lot of things with like, underage girls and stuff. Yeah. I'm like, can anybody care about this? Like, he has like a whole fucking like, Island? Yeah, people like, dressed in white. Or whatever. Like, can please somebody like, go make sure like, that's fine. Like, I don't know. There's gonna be some stuff that comes out about him one day for sure. Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be terrifying. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:02
Well, that was a really good dark cringe. Yeah, I'm glad you liked it. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:09
I hope I told it. Okay. It was kind of kind of felt like it jumped between stuff trying to like go to the parents and the old just enough to make it sound like there was actually a kidnapper, I believe. Yeah. Um, so I don't know. Sorry. My brain keeps thinking about just how fucking weird the guy is. Like, because it was like, Oh, it was a normal thing for him to stop and look at roadkill. Why?
Unknown Speaker 1:21:41
Why are you with this guy? And his face just kind of looks like a trust fund kid that you want to punch. It's like I would say a mix of Brock Turner. And Bach Who was that guy on that? vam Vampir show
Unknown Speaker 1:22:30
I guess one positive thing for him. He probably got to have sex in prison. No, but yeah, form of it. Was someone.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:43
Um, yeah, he. I wonder. I mean, I guess people had to know why he wasn't. I don't know. Yeah, going to a different country for prison made it but yeah, sorry. I'm trying to look up the name of this actor and I just can't God he's kind of hot and like a creep.
Unknown Speaker 1:23:09
What else is in
Unknown Speaker 1:23:15
Netflix maybe it's Oh, Hemlock Grove. Did you ever watch him like groove? No, I've never heard of Bill Skarsgard
Unknown Speaker 1:23:43
definitely, he's looking at
Unknown Speaker 1:23:44
like a mix of Brock Turner in jewel Skarsgard or whatever. Bill Skarsgard. And let me just show you a picture of of the guy I guess. Okay, that guy
Unknown Speaker 1:24:09
is like a Donald Trump thing or he didn't do around his eyes. His eyes are like
Unknown Speaker 1:24:13
white. Oh, yeah. And you almost just look sunburn. Tan. And he used bronzer.
Unknown Speaker 1:24:20
The fact that he looks like that makes me more mad.
Unknown Speaker 1:24:25
That like, yeah, that's a fucking punch. Yes. Yeah, so yeah, he's a smug asshole. Like, look at this fucking face. Yeah, like I just Oh, I want to punch him. Wow Well, I guess we can wrap it for you.
Unknown Speaker 1:24:49
Okay, chaotic day. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:24:52
Which reminds me my name is chaotic pooper in the discord. Oh, yes. So you guys should join our ship. And I accidentally posted pictures in there the other day that I meant to send Marine in, over Wi Fi, or anything. No, it was just pictures of me and the cats. He's gone. I like to send them like pictures of cats and stuff. So, um, it was three pictures, one of me with each of the cats, and then I accidentally sent them to the nervous laughter podcast.
Unknown Speaker 1:25:21
I didn't see that, like, I heard you. Or I saw the thing you posted and you were talking about Wi Fi. And then I saw a thing pop up that was like, oh, sorry, that wasn't for y'all. And I thought it was that that's even funnier.
Unknown Speaker 1:25:33
I don't even remember the Wi Fi thing that might have been old. Not Wi
Unknown Speaker 1:25:36
Fi but said the wrong thing like fiber.
Unknown Speaker 1:25:40
Oh, Google Fiber. Yeah. I say that in discord. I don't know. Anyway, my brain is feeling a little extra chaotic. And I'm getting like, really hot and sweaty now. It's hot in here. So I'm like, Am I just getting like that nervous and stuff. But I'm just like getting a
Unknown Speaker 1:26:00
combination of both, I guess hot in here.
Unknown Speaker 1:26:05
All right. Well, I'm Chicheley. Yeah, let us know if you want us to do more true crime
Unknown Speaker 1:26:10
related thing. Or if you've ever kidnap someone to have tried to have sex with them. That was weird for you to do, but let us know. Or tell us your other awkward stories of how you tried to score. Be elaborate plan that you had to really like sit there and just be so calculated
Unknown Speaker 1:26:29
right in a message and note 10 days in advance and drop it off to her parents.
Unknown Speaker 1:26:35
It just gets worse and worse. Just keep talking about it.
Unknown Speaker 1:26:40
Yeah, so right. Is that anything you want? We'd love to hear from you guys. And we'd like to hear more. Please, please. And
Unknown Speaker 1:26:50
goodbye. Thank you. Goodbye. Alright, yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:26:55
you bet. So I know that you said you had a couple things that you wanted to talk about.
Unknown Speaker 1:27:09
I forgot most. No hurry to say anything. Um,
Unknown Speaker 1:27:15
so I can
Unknown Speaker 1:27:17
feel like you shouldn't. Oh, are you okay? Oh, it's okay. Oh, you can just leave it. It's okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:27:24
It's only a small coffee. Thinking back to like a sailor an episode of Sailor Moon, which clearly some people need to watch to learn some fucking manners. And how to treat people
Unknown Speaker 1:27:40
from what like 1994 thing? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:27:45
Um, however, like how to awkward like, checkout experience anywhere all the time. Okay, I can't think of any off the top of my head. But I feel like yes, maybe that's a topic we could circle back to. I have one but it's it's funny and cringy to me, but I know it would come off as very depressing to a lot of people can't wait to hear. So yeah, I'll have to write that down for later. Stuff stuff. Stuff stuff stuff. Stuff. stuff.
Unknown Speaker 1:28:23
I've been meaning to tell you I really liked the British man they've put into
Unknown Speaker 1:28:30
okay. I'm sorry. I just like got really nervous and I feel like okay, maybe it's the coffee. I need to get my shit together.