We’re poppin’ off episode 101 with Peter Popoff to continue our televangelist series! Won’t you join us fatheads?!
We’re poppin’ off episode 101 with Peter Popoff to continue our televangelist series! Won’t you join us fatheads?!
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References:
Infomercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGuawSq6zDA
Instagram Ad: https://www.instagram.com/petergpopoff/reel/Cy6EyodtaH-/
GQ Article: https://www.gq.com/story/peter-popoff-born-again-scoundrel
Dude opening mail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFQ0jO6gtQI&ab_channel=EEVblog2
Article mostly referenced about the balloons: https://www.lyingforjesus.org/Peter-Popoff.php
Business Insider Article: https://www.businessinsider.com/scam-everlasting-after-25-years-debunked-faith-healer-still-preaching-debt-relief-scam-2011-9
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Hey Alyssa. Guess what? What Jamie Lynn?
It's episode 101 over here.
get your hot dogs!
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get your hot dogs. We're back.
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welcome to Nervous laughter I'm Jamie.
I'm Alyssa.
And we got more televangelists stuff for you today on this episode that we're not recording in the same day
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it's a different blessed day. I feel the presence in this of the Lord here with us. Sister Jamie Lynn and I each want $800 to the church of Lynn, you too would be as blessed as we are. And you could be a brother or sister too. You can be true. You can be brother, Xavier Lynn.
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Or sister Jessica Lynn.
True.
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But the person we're going to talk about today, it's not very Lynn like Oh, his name is Peter pop off.
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I don't know if you've heard of him before. I'm gonna do a quick googs of his picture. Oh, yeah. look pretty. I feel like very recognized. Um, yeah, you may he's Yeah, he's been on the TV quite a lot. Oh, yeah. Did a scary infomercials and things like that. He looks like a guy that I'm gonna talk about later. Like, I feel like they could be brothers, but they're not how they all have like,
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scary.
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Scary guy. You wouldn't trust them.
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Over your drink time guy.
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So pop off started preaching in the early 60s He was referred to as the miracle boy, evangelist.
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Boy, yeah.
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Wow.
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So yeah, he was that in newspapers, ads and stuff. And he claimed he was born in a bomb shelter in Berlin and was rescued from a Siberian prison camp.
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That was probably a lie.
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He claimed to have abilities to heal. And see, let's see and tell the future. In 1971, he married Elizabeth whom he settled in a miracle girl
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met her miracle boy.
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And a miracle love was born. They had their miracle life.
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And they they both started broadcasting in the US in the early 80s.
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He was the kind of healing preacher that would have people like, you know, getting out of their chairs and going crazy. Ditching their mobility aids. Fuck that, who Yeah, throw that cane in the oceans. And speaking in tongues and stuff, of course.
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Just to just some of the testimonies from the website to see kind of get an idea of some of the claims.
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Yesterday, I received a letter of over $45,000 and that my second mortgage was paid off. That sounds like
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some of these will sound like things they went on and wrote themselves. It's like ones like
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I have to confess that I am one of your biggest skeptics, and I was about ready to give up last May. But my spouse got a check for $50,000 that came in the mail and she gave me 15,000 to pay my loan. I don't know what to say. I still won't. It still won't sink in somehow. Thank you, Jesus. And miracle boy. Yeah, thank you miracle boy, girl.
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I can't get over that. So
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I love it and we're gonna call miracle boy.
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So yeah, a lot of a lot of the testimonials are just like, you know,
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one day my mortgage company canceled $46,000 of debt, you know, like they do? Yes. So what's the one there's just this one because it was funny. Where is it? I was in my dining room and I heard a sound at my door and when I went to the door I have not I didn't see anyone there. But there was a big brown envelope that was sitting at my doorway and when I picked it up, I saw my name and went inside.
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I had when I looked inside it had $28,000
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I feel like you need to fucking watch her back after.
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That is my first thought. I'm like, Okay, if that actually happened if sounds sketchy, I would be terrified. Yeah, like I think that's kind of the plot and one of the seasons of Fargo like somebody Oh borrows money but they don't have the parameters of it setup so then when they're trying to repay it the person has all these like, really high expectations. Oh, yeah.
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plot line I remember like the weird is Vegas parts of it that don't feel super related. It was season three. It was a really small part like the did you watch that one? I can't remember.
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Well, was there something that was our dog that got killed?
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I don't remember season three is when I yeah, I guess.
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That's how I feel Fargo's camera, man. It's good, though. I remember I liked it when I watched it. I guess anyway, sorry, guys. This is so this is the
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this is the miracle boy.
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So
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in 1985, our little miracle boy began a little TV fundraising thing. Oh, that's when carboy number three was born. Oh, cool. So he's American voice. Yeah.
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And this project he was
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constructing was to get Bibles into the Soviet Union. So the Communist Party could hear the good word of Lord. And Alyssa, do you want to guess what his scheme was to get these Bibles there? It's gonna be something really fucking down. Is there going to be like carrier pigeons drops off or some kind of closed? helium balloons? Oh, no.
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helium balloons to bring Bibles over into
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Russia. I mean, I'm not great with geography. But isn't that really far? I don't know if they plan to, like, go by the border and send them off or hire other people to do it. But they, they weren't going to buy these materials to do it.
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So this was their idea what they were raising money for on this little TV program. Sounds great. I'll donate $5,000. That's perfect. Because it turned out to be a scam.
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What? Really? Yeah.
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It was found to be a scam when he was asked to provide proof
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of the donations being spent on the Bibles and the balloons, oh, Bibles and balloons, which made me think heart stars and horseshoes. Bibles and bullets. Magically religious.
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miracle boy.
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There just happened to be a burglary at the headquarters where all this included? Oh, no worry. No. All those things that he could have proved that he bought it. Whoa. So somebody steal the evidence? Yeah, of course. So then, of course, in the following broadcasts, they needed more donations to help with the damages from the burglary and low things that were stolen. Yep.
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The luck you gave me
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I wish I
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could give it paths that look on to you.
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Something similar actually happens with somebody that I'm going to talk about.
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Like a like a break in or the
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the break in.
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Yeah, always a breaking there's always a convenient thing about money going missing. Yeah. And I was up but it's not literal. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I think I remember. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty recent.
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So this was so that was 1985. They started raising money for the balloons. And
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in 1986 Popoff was exposed by my boyfriend. Oh, yay, James Randi.
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Rip King. Um,
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yeah, so here, sorry. In my notes, I'm just I'm just bragging and hyping up my boyfriend. But I already did that on the first episode.
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So Oh, who do you mean Criss Angel, my boys. So anyways, Randy went to San Francisco to attend and investigate one of pop off shows along with a private investigator he hired
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or tell ya, the investigator went undercover as a security guard with a tape recorder in radio scanner.
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Upon tuning into the frequency 39.17 megahertz he heard God Yes, I know this one. Sighting sorry for freaking Oh no, you're just
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kidding.
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It was pop offs wife, Elizabeth, America cool girl, the miracle girl. She was chatting up with her miracle boy. And here is a part of that recording from the James Randi documentary and honest liar, which is a great documentary. You should check it out. Oh, hell yeah. And I will say there is some controversy with James Randi because he does.
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He sins people basically in undercover who are magicians themselves to trick people and then reveal that they were tricked to be like, Look, you can be tricked.
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Oh, I see. Because there was like studies at universities and stuff. And so he was like, No, this is stupid. Let me send those people and then people got mad because they were like, you're ruining the whole process. But anyway, here is the clip of our little miracle couple
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on the job
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Hello, Katie. Can you hear me? If you can't you're in trouble. Is it top off was being prompted by his wife through a wireless earpiece.
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she'd gotten her information from prayer cards filled out by the faithful before the show began
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to get
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you want to get rid of this Walker sister
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Oh, glory How long have you been walking on that? Walk?
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Three years, three years
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1627 1627 10 Street
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burning this arthritis right out of your body.
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Take a few steps just to make the devil mad. Hallelujah. Snitches move around a little bit. There she goes. Just walk with me. Oh, glory to God. She's not gonna need that Walker anymore. God's just
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so yeah, so Wonder Girl was whispering to wonder boy about who was planted in the audience and who was gonna throw their cane into the air and be saved by the Holy Spirit? Yeah. And who would have thought yeah, they would have thought those people were planted and people would have never walked could just automatically walk.
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So yeah, they had filled out
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they had
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basically just these prayer cards that people would fill out when they went in that had the names of you know, names address, you fill out whatever your you're there to pray for and stuff. And it has your seat number and everything too. So they've just made that communication and it's funny just looking at pop off while he's waiting for her to talk to him cuz just like, just like
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just keep this act going.
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That's so depressing, like,
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so they're very shitty people.
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Um,
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but Randy took that recording with him on to the Jordan Carson Show in May of 1986 and exposed pop off live on television.
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So this was kind of also like
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well known thing my boyfriend did.
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And, to to to to do a pop off tried claiming it wasn't a real recording and just an actress hired to voice his wife.
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And
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I took this little snip from Wikipedia just because I wanted to.
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I don't know it just worded it well. In September 1987 Popoff declared bankruptcy
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one year after.
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He listed more than 790 unpaid creditors and a ministry debt of over $1 million
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almost half that
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Despite being exposed and going through bankruptcy pop off came back onto the television. televangelists seem like a cockroach con artist that he is.
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And I'll go over kind of how much they're making. Now in just a bit, oh, we're still Wonderboy in Wonder Girl. Oh, yeah, they, they took a break from the scene for a bit. So this was like 87.
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But in the early 2000s pop off, renamed his ministry, people united for Christ and bought TV slots for infomercials. And he was also you know, doing the whole regular televangelist thing again. He had programs on BT, and reading through some articles. It seems like a lot of televangelists did this in the early 2000s. To which a lot of things I was reading, a lot of people feel like they were very much targeting the black audience. And I heard about curating very fucked up. I didn't get enough information to talk more about that but just know that's a thing.
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Pop off seem to be successful in this comeback. GQ says in 2000 say
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there's a really good GRE GQ.
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GQ is like damn, we got to talk to your boy.
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Become wonder.
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Wonder magazine.
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But surprisingly, they had Yeah, good article on this.
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So they said in 2006 revenues were just over $35 million.
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The family lives in a 7300 square foot home, which they bought for 4.5 million in 2007. And of course, it's owned by the church so it's tax free, baby.
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I'm gonna kill someone
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that's your favorite.
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A helium balloon away.
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Fuck. Okay. 7300. Like, when you said that my mind was like, oh, that's kind of small. Because I saw I thought 730 Oh, yeah. And then my brain was like,
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oh, like for your house? Yeah, like our house was times like eight.
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One of pop ups infomercials that seem to put him back on a lot of people's radars was for his miracle spring water.
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So here's part of one of the ads that I just thought was fun to share.
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Reverend Peter Popoff wants you to know that God can reverse every negative verdict in your life. You don't have to live a life sentence of lack and defeat, you can be free to enjoy all of God's riches, blessings. That's why he wants to send you your free packet of miracles bring water, your point of contact for the miracle you need. Now in a larger size, I had been into car accidents. And the doctors kept saying, well here you got to take painkillers. I used your miracle spring water and it's gone. The banks that told me that I could not get another home, I prayed I believed I followed every instruction and on May 26, we closed on our dream home. Stop settling on less and reach for God's best. God is a God of more. And now there's more miracle spring water in a new larger packet. Send me to water and I use it you told me I was gonna get a check for $7,000 Sure enough, I got a check in the mail. It was exactly $7,000 another check for $4,700 for me to move to New York City glory to God supernatural wealth transfer that will send you the miracle spring water. I'll send you the instructions. I'll tell you how to use it to see total victory in every area of your life. Act now. Call the number on your screen today and get your free packet of miracles. Springwater
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isn't it amazing to see what God is doing. Supernatural wealth transfer. It's what I'm talking about. That's what we need help with from you listeners. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, please. supernaturally Venmo us.
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Um, so yeah, that infomercial is great. I know that obviously you guys can't see it, but just think 90s early 2000s infomercials someone's frustrated at the computer and someone's frustrated in prison. Yeah.
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I like hanging on to the bars. All that yeah, it's a lovely infomercial, B roll. They definitely use it.
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And then I know I just showed you and but I want to show you another little ad that he has on his Instagram. Because Instagram is just like a bunch of ads for all this stuff. So it's really interesting. Do they still sell the water? Yeah, you can still go the website and get it. What? Yeah, I guess we'll find out
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what I can get into. I'll get into that a little more in just a little bit. Here's an ad that he has on his Instagram. Did you use the American West America spring water twice, and you sent me this American spring warning and I followed the instructions. Two days later, I got a check for $2,500. The following week, I got a check for $30,000. And then you had said some of you are gonna be relocated. The next month, I had moved out to California. But I came back after three years later, but I didn't move out to California. And there was a house available for me when I got there. So I know that the prayers to profit, so you got to check for 2500 for 30,000 or 32 checks double portion blessing you can experience the amazing power of God in your own life. Use my free miracle Springwater as a powerful point of contact. Here's my personal email address to request yours. Teacher. Teacher pop boss.org double portion blessing reminds me of our little double cheescake double keep cake it's just when you get something extra
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Wow. So yeah, maybe that's what I'll start calling it instead double portion blessing instead of Yeah, yeah. Double portion blessing.
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So yeah, the infomercial caught me and Brandon surprise by surprise one night at Hotel which Oh, really? Yeah. Which was the
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it sounds like a lot of other authors from the articles I read had like the same experience or like oh, just love hotel one night and then I was like, what? Bah bah I thought this guy debunked and done but no, he's not people still want to throw their money in the fucking garbage can book a miracle boy book a miracle boy, oh boy. I think I called him Wonder Boy.
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Same thing.
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So this the GQ article I mentioned earlier, the journalists that wrote but decided to investigate what was kind of going on and stuff. He went to visit the church, but it was just a vacant, deserted building. When he asked pop off about it, he said that they moved to a nearby strip mall and change their name. I didn't really look up any follow up information with that.
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You also went to the business that was subcontracted for the distribution of the miracle spring water and the owners confirmed that they do work with pop off but weren't really helpful pass up. But luckily
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on his way out into the parking lot. He bumped into a guy that worked happened to work for the receiving there.
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And they had a little combo
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and you went like this.
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So yeah, he asked if they work with pop off. He said yeah, we do him.
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We go through through Poland spring. This is the accent he has. Oh my jaw
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littoralis asked. The pop off water is Poland spring. And he said yeah, they deliver it here. He said Paul is a guy who? Paul Paul's the guy who does the deliveries once or twice a month he comes for Peter Popoff we do a 35 gallon size jugs at a time once or twice a month. One time he came in one time to the 30 size gallon jugs
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pop off said he sins but I can't do this accent me smart
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off you said since
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since his own pre blessed water in a 16 ounce bottle to add to all the jokes of Poland spring. So
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yeah.
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So every little package of water contains a few molecules of holiness. Ah, and that guy said I'm the one who pours the water until the drums I measure it out and I add it into the drums
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it's funny he's just like diluting this little 16 ounce into like
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which is funny because like so there's like I feel like there's like two ways to look at this like one he actually believes in what he's doing and even if he dies,
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maybe any bullshit that he's diluting it out like that every bottle should be blessed by Him everything
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So this fucking real, like a small bit of it diluted into larger water like no. And then to like, this was him just trying to
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make just trying to kind of cover and just, you know make people think that he believes this book or you know, contractually legally he might have to
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do it like that
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and then just you know basically have a tiny bit in there or whatever, you know, save money. You don't wanna pay severance or anything like that
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the only other thing I really want to mention about the water is most things I was reading and watching
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including pop off and other people talk about it. The drinking the water. I mean, I think in the stuff I showed you, she said she drink the water and stuff.
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One woman said that she poured some down her husband's throat while he was sleeping. And then another woman said that she put some in her sinus spray for her nose.
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There's a disclaimer on the website, though, that says not to ingest the water. So I don't know what's on there. Weird. I checked the wayback machine on the website. And just just to see like when it was added it was added sometime late March or early April 2020. In this websites, that form on the website has been there for a very long time. So I don't I couldn't find anything about people getting sick or complaining. sort of interesting about what's going on with that because so many people had talked about drinking it, shooting it up their fucking nose.
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And it's just a liability thing. Like you said, 2020 Maybe it was like COVID Maybe there was more of a crackdown on like things like that. Oh, or maybe
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I'd have to look around but maybe there was claims of it like, oh, healing. Yeah. Oh, no, I didn't think to like, look that up specifically. I'm sorry listeners. I feel like it feels no definitely sorry. We'll just assume it was kind of something like that. Yeah.
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So the waters free like all the other mail you can sign up for with the shitty gift. Oh, you get free water? Yeah, it's free. Oh, I figured it was like $80 a bottle or sometimes ask that you send a donation? Oh, well, I'm gonna get some and I'll send a donation. Yeah.
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Yeah, cuz I'll get into it a little more. But uh
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oh, actually, I'm about to get into it. So cool.
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So yeah, they asked for a donation which is how they can you know, tell which people to further target and ask more.
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You'll be on a mailing list. Oh, no. Okay, I'm not getting
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a call or you have to call them but like, phone communication that some people will have had.
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So I would like to mention, though, that on the websites, all the donation boxes, not just the miracle Springwater donation box. It has a minimum donation of $4.99.
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So you can donate to us, but you better not be fucking cheap about it.
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I did find that some people subscribed to the letters just to waste money. Oh, I guess it cost them a little bit to make the cheap little gifts and send it out.
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I found the guy on YouTube. That does listen, he was opening up some that he collected.
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That's fun. Each one just has like some cheap shitty little gifts. And so of course like the miracle spring water. There are some other gifts that's like these just shitty plastic dove cutouts.
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Some kind of coins like any racer with like a Bible image on it like a Bible quote. I'm just picturing. Sorry.
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I'm just picturing like walking into an old person's house whenever I worked at the funeral home. And this was just the kind of shit that would just be like, littered about the tables. Oh, yeah, for sure. And like maybe the racehorses that has like a little picture on it. They would have it like propped up. Yeah, somewhere next to a picture of a grandchild, right? Yeah, exactly.
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So yeah, that's, that's the kind of stuff they send.
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And of course, it's always like asking for money. It's that like print that looks like here and written. Oh, yeah.
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So back to the GQ journalist. He also got to go to art. He went to want to pop off shows and happened to have a finger injury he was doing at the time.
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So he's a perfect machine
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helped me miracle boy.
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When pop off approached him He asked what what was troubling him. And he held up, quote, I held up my broken finger he touched it.
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And then he let loose a wild stream of gloss fall way. Oh yeah, I am sorry. I don't know that we're speaking in tongues and Pentecostals
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scare him. Amala he cried.
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Scared. I'm sorry.
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I wiggled my pinky, which I wish I had been able to do anyway. And he shouted, You are healed and gave me a long tight hug. It felt good as hugs do and then came something I didn't expect love from the crowd. People rubbing me on my back after I sat down touching me and giving me high fives saying praise the Lord. I felt so good. Even if my pinky had had been causing excruciating pain. Or even if I'd had a far worse condition something like that in my heart I'd known was incurable I'm sure that for that moment, I wouldn't have noticed so he's just saying that yeah, there's just so much hype around what's going on to get you're going to want to cry but it's just like so sad that maybe some of these people are just like so lacking connection and stuff in their lives that they think they have to do this weird money giving thing that exploits them in order to feel part of a fucking community like it's depressing it's not just that because like for that is how I feel about some of my some of the people I'm covering but like with pop off it's just like he it's like he's promising them
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like more wealth or like a cure it's not it doesn't feel so much as like a community
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like it almost feels like a get rich quick scheme but through Jesus
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like that's just like all like It's like it feels like really quick transactions between like him and all these members when he talks to him and stuff. But I mean, it's sad because you know, people talk about like cancer and stuff
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like, I don't know, it's kind of scary, scary.
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The same journalist went to interview pop off at his own house.
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The interview was honestly pretty mad, not really interesting. But he did get to use the bathroom and pop offs office would
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try and I feel like I set that up to be like really interesting.
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And there was lots of, you know, Bible inspirational quotes, but also next to the toilet paper.
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And 18 and a half by 11 inch print out listing the family's goals for 2015 P in the bathroom of his office, so I don't know I guess it's thinking and shitter
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but funny if he didn't flush the toilet
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so this LED you know, goals for Peter was Nick and Amy like you.
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Hammonds wife's kids. Wonder children. Yeah, Miracle children's
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Peters list included more crusades, quote books on trips, including Italy skiing and Lake Tahoe. And at number five tax exemption in Canada. It was giving in an astonishing Percy of the prosperity gospel, get converts get time on slopes get a tax exemption.
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And that is all
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pop off.
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That is very depressing.
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Yeah, I feel like I feel like if he was not exposed by James Randi, there might be more to cover. But oh, yeah. But I just I wanted to see where floating Bibles into
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Russia was gonna go.
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But he exposed shortly after that
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is so fucking crazy that people are still willing to give him money after your boyfriend exposed and it was like, Hey, I tapped into the radio frequency. But I had something similar in some of my research that I did. And it's kind of like an abusive relationship. Like they make excuses for these people. Like they're misunderstood. Like, it's not like that, you know?
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We've all been through stuff. Yeah, it's fucking why
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Hell yeah. There's some things like that, that people just don't definitely don't deserve a fucking passport. Yeah, I mean,
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yeah, likes. That's.
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Yeah, it's a miracle. If you had to ask Peter Popoff to heal something for you. What would you choose?
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My son Diablo has been having a tough ear problem lately and I owe for that to be healed. That's my stage chose your son's sound even my real son
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What about you? What would you want
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maybe my ADHD
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stubborn brag about my boyfriend again. He's done a lot with like faith healing. Oh, not just
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you know, these ones that we're talking about where it's like praying the cancer way. But like the those
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surgeries those like faith surgeries? I don't know about that hands. And they're like, oh, look, we're pulling the sensor. Oh, yeah. I was thinking about that while you're talking into also cover stuff about that, too. And he has a book called The faith healers. Oh, cool. stuff. So hell yeah, I'll definitely check that out. Yeah, one of the things that while you're talking, I thought about I listened to a podcast, let me grab the name real quick.
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And they put together somebody I was researching and Peter pop off.
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So I kind of listened to both of them. One of the things they're saying about pop off was
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that somebody doing the research had witnessed someone with a child that couldn't walk. And they went to Peter Popoff and tried to get him to you know, talk to the kid and stuff. But of course, since it's fake, he got turned away. Be turned him away. Yeah, like he couldn't even come into the thing. And apparently this had happened several times. Oh my god, that is crazy. Yeah, cuz I mean, it's fucking fake. It's the kids aren't gonna be able to get up and walk. Damn, they're like, this is a liability issue. Yeah, like they had to have fake people reveal that it's not gonna work. Exactly. Damn. Yeah. I don't know. That almost sounds like something you could see somebody over turning a someone with disabilities away. Looks like it'd be covered somewhere in the ACA. It was the 80s or whatever. So
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yeah, they were still doing the crawl on the the White House or whatever. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 38:05
Yeah, it was the swindled podcast. And they had one that covered. It's called the ticket to Vangelis. The televangelist and it covers. They talk a little bit about Peter Popoff. And then another dude, I'll talk about a little later. But stay tuned, listeners. Stay tuned.
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Well,
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I have a another gentleman to talk about. A gentleman. Is he a miracle? Boy, he
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he's a complicated one. Because, boy, some of the things that he did truly were miracle boy, but then some of them his just like the rest of these motherfuckers. Okay. Yeah. So let's get into it. I'm going to be talking about Billy Graham.
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I wrote and every time I hear Billy, sorry, like baby, Uncle baby, lady, Billy. Yes, baby. Again, the righteous gemstones. Y'all need to watch it so fucking good. I kind of want to see him for Halloween. Oh, that would be like the outfit that he has when he's singing at the resort and he has the see show. Oh, like, I kind of want to do that or be the wife. I can't remember her name and Tiffany.
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Her teeth fixed.
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So good.
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So I wrote in my notes, Billy Graham is probably the least evil televangelists that I read about about.
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But don't worry, there's still some evil.
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He started preaching in the 40s. And by the 50s. He was very opposed to segregation, which is great. Oh, cool. Yeah. So I guess he had some of these crusades which Oh, fuck and now I guess that's just there.
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little thing where they go on a tour and talk. I don't know what exactly that is funny to me the world you have to live in where you call your like World Tour like a crusade like shut the fuck.
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Dude. Yeah.
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They a lot of these guys feel the same to me as I guess like alpha? Yeah, yeah, so stupid. Yeah, some of these guys have major and rotate vibes. But when he started doing his crusades, they were still segregated. But he got to a point where when he got somewhere and they had it set up to be segregated or not allow black people, he would like tear down the barriers or whatever they had. So that's really fucking cool. Good, very cool.
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And 1957 He even invited Martin Luther King to speak at one of his revivals.
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I couldn't find if
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he actually did, but apparently they were pretty close friends. Oh, cool.
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And at one point, Graham had said there's no scriptural basis for segregation, which a plus Sir, this is civil rights boy. Yes. So all rights boy, we do we appreciate that. I have been friends with Bernie. Yeah, back in the day. Well, probably mine. I don't think they aligned. Things probably
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another good thing that he did.
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He urged people to pray for those with AIDS, which that's great. Because at the time, a lot of ministers were saying, you know, it was punishment for homosexuality and promiscuity and all that shit.
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Well, in 1993, he actually did say that, while we should pray for people with AIDS, that he did think that it might be a judgment from God. Oh, I mean,
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yeah. But then two weeks later, there's so many
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features very opened down. But then two weeks later, he retracted the remark saying, I don't believe that. I don't know why he said this. Oh, okay.
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I don't know what to think about that. I mean, I don't typically say that. I think a group should be
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judged by accident. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't accidentally say that about like, my sister being gay, you know, and like, that doesn't accidentally slip out because I don't think it
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can down mass HCP per se.
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But overall, Billy Graham is regarded as a civil rights person like a fairly for being a conservative, Christian, a pretty good guy, I guess. Though, in 2012, he publicly endorsed North Carolina Amendment One, which was a measure to ban same sex marriage in the state. And he and his son both condemned President Obama's public declaration of support for same sex marriage later that year.
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I had heard Billy Graham's name but actually the first time I really started thinking about him was when we were in North Carolina they have a Billy Graham expressway. Oh, just funny. Zone road THIS WAY TO JESUS gate on my first lay my paperwork to write. I don't remember if it's a total or not, but that would be very fitting if you had to pay for the church and they got that tax free. Oh my god. I'm surprised it's not
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another bad thing about him. He has said that
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the role of wife mother and homemaker are the real destiny for womanhood.
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So
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told my husband
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Yeah, so apparently both of his daughters had asked him to go to college and he said no.
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Why? Yeah. Because that's not a wife mother or homemaker thing going to college. Wow. So I do you think that one of them did eventually go? I don't have notes on that, but I don't think that necessarily stopped. At least one of them. I know another one is
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A pastor herself so I don't know about her but
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and then his wife had wanted to do mission work before they got married. I think she wanted to get a Tibet and do some stuff. And he convinced her that she should stay and marry him. Because you know, God's plan for women is not greatness. It's like, clean it up my laundry and shit.
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That's yeah,
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but if you go who's gonna wash my clothes?
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But my laundry?
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Actually, he's in North Carolina, so I guess it'd be like, but my laundry wash
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my clothes are dusty from building my Parkway expressway. How else are people gonna get around?
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So very complicated, man. I mean, I'm not trying to like diminish his civil rights work, but
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it's fucked up that he wanted to hold other groups back. I mean, why can't you just be fucking cool? And be like, hey, every human being is equal. Yeah, yeah. But he, he could do that for other races. But as far as like other genders and other sexualities, he just couldn't wrap his mind around that, which is sad. And I hope that is he still alive? He's not alive.
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I hope that if he would have lived a little longer, he would have maybe figured that shit out. But I don't know when he died. I mean, he.
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You know, there's a quote from him in 2012. So he hasn't been dead like that long. But
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the tie in to current times. Last week there was a statue of him revealed at the US Capitol. Oh, at the Capitol, at the Capitol. Okay. Yeah.
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He was honored for being a trailblazer in race relations.
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Graham joined three other Americans who have received the nation's highest honors have the Congressional Gold Medal, which are lying in state
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and having a statues erected in the Capitol.
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The others who have had the same honors Billy Graham, our presidents, Gerald R. Ford, Ronald Reagan, which Fuck him? I don't know enough about Ford, honestly to say, and civil rights leader Rosa Parks. So very random. Yes, dude. I don't know how much he contributed for it. And I'm glad that the statute was just more about his work around that and not like bringing in religious shit because I was gonna get really
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Yeah.
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I still kind of torn about it still, though.
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I don't know. I feel like it's weird that we have a statue of preacher. Maybe that makes me like a shitty person. And people are gonna be like, Oh, you're a fucking bitch. Alyssa. But I mean, no, I can understand that. Because like I was I'm also not a fan of having like, statues and things like that of religious figures or significant. Yeah.
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State related.
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Building. Yeah, I don't think we should have any of that shit. But at all if it's more related to his work as a civil,
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per like, thing that I mean, I guess that's cool. But I feel like yeah, like read what the plaque says? Because it's slightly if it just mentions that and then there's talks about him being a preacher. I'd be like,
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Yeah, I just feel torn on it. Because like, Yeah, I mean, I don't want to diminish his work that he did. But I guess my issue is, I feel like there are people that are way more deserving of having the honor of having that statue. Like, for example, why not Martin Luther King himself? Yeah. Or like, other people that maybe weren't as kind of bigoted as it? Yeah, yeah. But then again, at the same time, maybe I'm sure they're special. Hey, maybe it does, maybe, you know, back then people didn't have any open mindedness. So this was like a special thing. So I just changed a lot of those mindsets of the more racist rule.
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Just people and stuff. Yeah. Oh, after read more about like what he's done, but yeah, yeah, I think you're probably right though there probably are people that are less just not judgmental. What's the word?
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I can't think of it the mic. Oh, okay, maybe. So yeah, I get what you're saying like there could be a less divisive, controversial. What's normal or controversial kind of person? That would deserve it more. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not meaning to sound like an asshole. Hopefully. Yeah, I don't know. Mixed feelings on that. Yeah. No, yeah, I totally I totally. I totally feel that
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