Welcome to episode 100 fatheads! Dive into the weird dark world of televangelists with us! Alyssa kicks off the series with Trinity Broadcast Network (TBN).
Welcome to episode 100 fatheads! Dive into the weird dark world of televangelists with us. Alyssa kicks off the series with Trinity Broadcast Network (TBN).
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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Guess what, Jamie? What Alyssa? It's episode 100!!!!
Speaker 1 0:30
Welcome to Episode 100 of nervous laughter podcast
welcome.
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I don't feel very confident because that felt very shrill so I'm sorry listeners
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It's okay. We'll fix it in post
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my voice will be deep like this. And my name is George I'm posting today.
Speaker 1 0:49
time for this to get on track.we need men Men
need to be in charge of some things for
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speaking of men, you know who is a man who God
Speaker 2 1:08
he would be for all the bullshit that goes on in the world. And there's a lot of
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asshole men that support and preach the Word of God in a swindler fashion.
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Evil way. I'm wearing my shirt destroy men who abuse their power is perfect for these guys. Yeah, there's
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actually perfect. Yeah, so we're gonna be kind of talking about the world of televangelists.
Speaker 2 1:43
We're super excited. Been working on this for a while. So hope y'all like it. Hopefully,
Speaker 1 1:48
we'll also says a while I'm scared to say a while because it makes me scared that your expectations are extremely high listeners.
Speaker 2 1:58
They listen to this many episodes so far, they understand.
Speaker 1 2:03
But I thought that it would be fun to or we we thought it would be fun to kick off the episode with a couple of quotes from James Randi. I'm a simp for James Randi, I guess you could say he's, he's a well known well, I say well known and you're like who is he? Was I guess he was more well known, like 70s 80s 80s kind of, but yeah, he's a skeptic. He was. He's a musician, magician, the amazing James Randi. And so he kind of got into a lot of like skepticism and trying to like debunk stuff because he was really tired of seeing people basically use the same tools he employer, employers for magic being used to take advantage of people. And this was kind of the same case for Houdini, especially in the realm of like, spiritual and supernatural because people are like, oh, we'll talk to your, your dead ancestors and they just take advantage of them and, you
Speaker 3 3:15
know, just really sketchy asshole people.
Speaker 1 3:20
But Criss Angel is also one of those people.
Speaker 3 3:24
So you know, it's kinda
Speaker 1 3:27
kind of my my group of guys right there. Magician, magician. Magician to call out. Do you know, swindlers and charlatans, which is a word we've come across a lot in our stuff, but also a little fun fact about him. He didn't come out until he was 81 I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 2 3:52
cool. Good for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1 3:55
and I'll talk more about him later because he kind of gets involved with one of our televangelist. Oh, so a couple quotes from him that I think are really good. Some people cannot believe that a magician can fool them in such a way that they cannot figure it out. But magicians can and magicians do. swindlers, swindlers do in common do all the time. They're not magicians. They're fakers. They're lying to us. They're deceiving us. It's okay to fool people, as long as you're doing it to teach them a lesson, which will better their knowledge of how the real world works. No matter how smart or well educated you are, you can be deceived. And the public really doesn't listen, when they're being told straightforward facts. They would rather accept what some charismatic character tells them or really think about what the truth might be. They'd rather have the romance and the lies. So he's kind of you know, he's kind of just saying like, you know, it's, yeah, it doesn't matter if you're fucking went to like I'm trying to think of all the Ivy League college games, but I can't right now. sick burn. Um, but yeah, he's just like, anybody can be taken advantage of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2 5:12
whenever you're reading that I was like, Yeah, this describes all my people, because most of them like get exposed and then people still like, Oh, it's okay. It'll still give you 1000s of dollars. Yeah.
Speaker 1 5:23
Oh, and what's interesting, I guess I'll add to it. Because like, so he also debunks like psychics and shit like that, too. And he made a prize for I think it was, like $10,000 or something that was like, if you can prove supernatural or anything like that, like, actually, to me, like you win this prize money. No one's claimed it. It's up to a million dollars today, and it still has yet to be saved. Like,
Unknown Speaker 5:52
I've heard you talking about this before? Probably.
Unknown Speaker 5:58
Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1 5:59
I'll say he's kind of my boyfriend. But he's, you know, dead. And anyway. So those were my quotes. And also do you want to provide us with the definition of charlatans mostly be talking about
Speaker 2 6:16
a charlatan? Also a swindler or MT bank? was being old timey one sounds like
Unknown Speaker 6:25
another word for like a sugar daddy.
Speaker 2 6:30
Made a mountain bank open here help the podcast get going. So charlatan, is a person practicing quackery, or a similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, power, fame, or other advantages through pretense or deception.
Speaker 1 6:50
Lots of deception going on? Yes. And in this world, lots
Speaker 2 6:54
of it. So if you don't have any more boyfriend things, I figured I'd kick
Unknown Speaker 7:03
I'll stop talking about my boyfriend.
Speaker 1 7:10
Boyfriend I swoon over James Randi and but it's just kind of sad, because you know, he made an impact. But like he said, people just want to keep listening to charismatic people. And it just keeps cycling and cycling. And I guess the only other thing I want to say is like, we're not making fun or being mean to like, Christians. Yeah, this is televangelism. That Yes. Uses Christianity. For
Speaker 2 7:37
evil. Yes. I mean, evil. pretty much exclusively. Yeah. Yeah. If you're a nice Christian who's actually doing shit, and being kind to everyone, even if they are a different color or sexual orientation than you then congratulations,
Unknown Speaker 7:56
yes. You're a decent person.
Speaker 2 8:00
Yeah, but all these people, they can fuck off. And they make me hope that hell is real. So that I can see them there. I agree with that. So this first one, I have a personal relationship with, Oh, Jesus. Yes. Which I'll get to in a moment. But I'm going to be talking about the Trinity Broadcasting Network, also known as TBN. And the founders of it, Jan and Paul Crouch, and once I show you some pictures, or listeners, if you look up Jan crouch, she'll probably be like, Yeah, I've seen that crazy bitch before because she has a very distinct look. She wears all these really elaborate wigs. So she kind of makes Dolly Parton look tame. Oh, really? Yes. So where are these gigantic fucking wigs that she'll usually do blonde or like pastel pink or lavender? Oh, I'm surprised
Unknown Speaker 9:13
that's allowed in the church.
Unknown Speaker 9:16
Yeah. I feel like
Speaker 1 9:18
Sorry, I didn't mean to enter that. Like my high school, which was in a very, like, religious area. It was like anything with different hair colors. She
Speaker 2 9:29
got away with it, I guess just because she's rich, but I'm gonna show you some pictures and you can tell the listeners what you think. Okay. Whoa, okay,
Speaker 1 9:37
so she goes from looking like the lady that does Lamb Chop to the looking like Trisha pious. Yeah, you can tell that I'm gonna sound like a bitch when I say this. You can tell that she's kind of had work done. Oh, yeah, off and on. I don't know if some of the pictures I saw were just kind of right after the work got done or if it was just kind of goofy. too much. I think she probably
Speaker 2 10:01
started having work done. I would guess in the 70s 80s maybe 90s. And then by the time she died, she just looked like a fucking free damn
Unknown Speaker 10:18
freak for Jesus. She was.
Speaker 2 10:22
So TBN was our is an international based Christian broadcast television network and the world's largest religious television network. TBN is a 501 C three nonprofit company because why the fuck wouldn't it be? They'd characterize themselves as bureaucrat broadcasting programs hosted by a diverse group of ministries, aka somewhat different flavors of Christianity, but the wrong people, essentially. Well, it's actually funny that you say that because they operate six broadcast networks, each reaching separate demographics. The one that stuck out to me is one that's aimed at English speaking Hispanic Americans. And Jamie, do you want to guess the name of it? Oh, god,
Speaker 1 11:22
it's gonna be something like really? I'm almost scared to make a joke because I feel like this is gonna be bad for Jesus for some shit it TVN
Speaker 2 11:32
salsa was like what an actual salsa which I did a Google Translate and salsa means dip.
Speaker 1 11:49
The that makes no sense. The only Mexican word we can think or say I'm sorry Spanish word we can think of.
Unknown Speaker 11:57
Yeah, so that's pretty cringe.
Speaker 1 12:01
I feel so bad for all the English speaking. Spanish speakers don't have to watch
Unknown Speaker 12:10
their keep it in business. Like,
Unknown Speaker 12:12
I don't fucking know
Speaker 2 12:13
what's going on there. Okay, maybe that's insulting, but it sounds like it. That would be like if we just referred to like, English American speakers is like ranch dip. I mean, actually
Speaker 1 12:39
don't forget Ranch is like the, the sauce of America. We've covered
Speaker 2 12:44
this before chopsticks of it. Burt's Bees. So the network was co founded in 1973. by Paul Crouch and his wife, Jan crouch. They bought an independent news station for a million dollars and TBN was born. And Google says that in 1973 Money a million dollars is do you want to guess how many today
Unknown Speaker 13:12
don't have to calculate inflation on the spot.
Speaker 2 13:23
$8 million in today's money, so that's fucking wild. And they are dough. Yeah, they're able to come up with that damn,
Unknown Speaker 13:30
man, people today.
Speaker 2 13:32
They just don't work for money. You know, they just don't want. They expect handouts. There's no
Unknown Speaker 13:38
reason people can't afford a
Speaker 2 13:42
TV. So Jan, and Paul hosted a bunch of their own shows, which all seem to have, like gentle piano music playing in the background. Like Jan cries a lot.
Unknown Speaker 14:00
But she doesn't cry. I mean,
Speaker 2 14:04
honestly, it never zooms and so she could just be dabbing her face with a tissue. But she always has the tissue and she's like, very carefully blotting around her eyes. isn't just
Speaker 1 14:15
like she's just like, happy from the power of shooting through her
Speaker 2 14:21
moved by the Spirit. But also,
Unknown Speaker 14:26
where did it move her to?
Speaker 2 14:31
But just kind of a side note. I feel like woman women of her age group. I feel like every time I was around a woman of that age when I was a kid, they did really love tissues. Like I feel like my grandma just always had tissues like in her pocket or nearby. Maybe
Unknown Speaker 14:52
it was a Texas thing. I don't really experience that
Unknown Speaker 15:00
Got me born in the 30s love tissues.
Unknown Speaker 15:04
It was just like
Speaker 1 15:07
I guess replace tissues with cigarettes and that was my baby.
Unknown Speaker 15:13
gotta quit.
Unknown Speaker 15:16
Yeah, she looks fucking crazy.
Unknown Speaker 15:20
I first saw Jay
Speaker 2 15:22
I literally didn't remember Paul his name anything at all, but I remember her because she looks so fucking crazy. And I remember first seeing them and my grandparents house. My dad's parents were super religious. And you know, we would go to church with them and it was like, a fucking like two hour service. And it was it was fucking awful. You go every week. Luckily, I lived in Corpus, which was about four hours away. Okay, so it was only when we went to visit a couple times a year, but it was fucking awful. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1 16:02
I've only actually experienced church myself like a couple. Oh, yeah. Oh, and a a Kingdom Hall. Oh, just brag.
Unknown Speaker 16:15
Brag. Oh, my friend.
Unknown Speaker 16:16
My little Jehovah.
Speaker 2 16:19
Yeah, they're fucking nuts. Like, I went with my grandparents who were Methodist, and it was just kind of as I have the two of this these type of people. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And like my grandparents church. Yes. Like, I don't specifically remember anyone speaking in tongues, but like, they would all get very worked up. And you know, they're like doing their hands and shouting and I remember a couple times, like my grandpa preaching and he'd be like, fucking sweating and like, like pretty hardcore. Crazy.
Speaker 1 17:00
Sounds like a good energy outlet. Kind of. Maybe that's
Speaker 1 17:06
Yeah, so I feel like everyone's just set up each other up. And it's just like, oh,
Speaker 2 17:11
yeah, I saw a thing that was like, man, all these people that love religion. Like have you ever been to a concert? Like? Yeah, like the same? You ever been
Speaker 1 17:19
to a wrestling show? Like, yeah, you guys are all booing the same person in unison like it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 17:28
Yeah, so I remember this one specific time. I didn't know my grandparents that well, because we lived kind of far away and I didn't see him that much. And my parents went to the movies and they went to go see Lawnmower Man. Which I don't know why I remember going to the why I remember the movie they saw but I liked it. And I need to watch this movie immediately. It's a movie from 1992. The eccentric Dr. Laurence Angelo puts mentally disabled landscaper job Smith on a regimen of experimental pills and computer simulated training sequences and hopes of augmenting the man's intelligence. So basically, just like turns them in the like a robot.
Unknown Speaker 18:26
That sounds weird, isn't
Unknown Speaker 18:27
it? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 18:29
But I say that he was mentally disabled.
Speaker 2 18:34
Yeah, I don't fucking so my parents are having a weird experience with the theater and the women experience to this bitches on the TV. And she would talk about the weirdest shit like
Speaker 1 18:49
it just had to happen. And it just you had to sit there while it happened to you.
Speaker 2 18:54
Yeah, like she had a story that she told about how she had this little chicken and it died. And then she prayed and God brought it back to life.
Unknown Speaker 19:07
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 19:11
Yeah, that didn't happen. Yeah, but she loves to tell that story.
Speaker 1 19:16
Unless it just like, she knocked it out. Like, you know, it got Kayode just like, yeah.
Speaker 2 19:27
Yeah, I have a couple of clips of hers. One thing that she ended up doing was like, she went to Haiti. And God told her to take these dolls that she had and she handed them out to all these kids. And then it kind of became her thing to collect dolls to send to the kids over there. Yeah, we'll put in this clip of her talking about how they ended up sending the dolls all over the world. And She's talking about one of the languages in a way. Yeah, not kind. Yeah. Yeah, whenever I sent you that, what did you think?
Unknown Speaker 20:11
I was just like,
Unknown Speaker 20:14
What the fuck? But also this reminds me of so my people.
Unknown Speaker 20:18
I mean, she was born in Alabama. So I mean, of course, she
Speaker 1 20:21
started salsa, the only network for English speaking Mexicans of America. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 20:31
In French Creole, we've
Speaker 4 20:33
had a meeting Indonesian in Chinese and Russian, in all the language of the world Spanish class. They went to South Africa, I don't know how you write. But you do they know how to write that. And every language of the world.
Speaker 2 20:51
Another one that I wanted to play for you.
Unknown Speaker 20:57
She's talking about
Speaker 2 20:59
a specific group and how they should send her money. So I'm going to bring that over to you. It's like
Speaker 4 21:06
it's always been the Little Women that caught the vision of giving, beginning with Jesus himself out of their private means. Some of you little precious ones have that little grocery money. Some of that little money set aside. Assure tonight, the blessings of God on your family by giving it to God and speaking that, say it. God. This is for blessings on my family. I love that.
Unknown Speaker 21:40
I
Speaker 1 21:43
love how that ends. I love that if you just sent me your little grocery money that you had
Speaker 2 21:51
for your money. The guy that uploaded that clip to YouTube. I guess he made a remix of her with a Pink Floyd's money. And at the end of the video, it's like hey, send me a message if you want a copy of it, and I haven't heard back from him. So that video was like a while back but I ended up getting it. My let you know,
Speaker 1 22:16
man, it's kind of worsening and rotate because Andrew Tate was like that money that you're saving to buy her mom's birthday gift. Give it to me and she's like, the money you're gonna feed your family.
Unknown Speaker 22:29
Yeah, it's
Speaker 2 22:30
crazy. Meanwhile, she's like, basically look like looks like she's in drag like so elaborately dressed. Expensive. Shit. Yeah. She wants these little ladies grocery money. Fucking sad. Yeah,
Speaker 1 22:43
she reminds me very much of a someone I'll be covering later. Yeah. Excellent.
Speaker 2 22:47
So yeah, that's, uh, Jan and Paul. Jan and Paul. Have both passed on. But now their son Matt runs the network, which I'll get into Matt a little bit later. So the headquarters that they had was called Trinity Christian City International. Which
Unknown Speaker 23:10
city? Wait, sorry. Can you say the name again?
Speaker 2 23:13
Trinity Christian City International. Oh, so I don't think it was a literal city. Yeah, but they want they want to be a city. Yeah. And it just makes me think of prestige worldwide and stepbrothers. So it was a tourist attraction, which eventually sold in 2017, because I guess they kind of downsize their operations for 18.2 5 million.
Unknown Speaker 23:43
Whoa, wow. So what exactly was it? It was,
Speaker 2 23:48
it was like, kind of, they're just a place to learn, or I think it was more like just their little campus where they shot everything. And they probably all had their offices there, which were like, you know, the size of five of our houses put together like that. So I think they've kind of scaled back a little bit. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1 24:15
When you said tourist, a tourist attraction was like, fucking like, Ark Museum. There's something like I don't know if you've seen that ark Museum. But yeah.
Speaker 2 24:26
Yeah, they just, it was a place where you could go and see how, how they work. Could be, which actually, that ties into my next thing. Trinity broadcast network started out teaching the prosperity gospel, which basically told viewers that if they are that they will receive a reward if they donate or give offerings. So this was kind of the thing that a lot of them are into, and even modern ones like Joel Osteen.
Speaker 1 24:55
Yeah, some of mine do this same thing too. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2 24:59
it If you're going to make money, you have to spend money basically, on God. Which is interesting because
Unknown Speaker 25:10
the great slot machine of mine.
Speaker 2 25:13
Yeah. My grandma Well, it was my grandpa second wife. So like my step Grandma, you know, they would watch this stuff all the time. And she told me a story one time, like her first husband had been in one of the wars, I can't remember which, and he ended up with a lifelong illness. And she was watching one of these shows, and they were asking for money, and she ended up sending money in no
Speaker 2 25:45
love it then she, her deceased husband had, you know, VA benefits or whatever. So the VA ended up reaching out to her and she got it back like five fold. Oh, which
Speaker 1 25:58
is pretty crazy. That's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2 26:01
So she thought it was because of these type of people that she would. She was like, doing the thing donated to these people hate them, like God gave her back through.
Speaker 1 26:15
I thought you were saying like, no. Like, the VA was like, Oh, we saw you sent money to Joel Olsteen. Here's your money back. I was like
Unknown Speaker 26:29
Jamie would never care about this.
Unknown Speaker 26:35
There was you know, hopeful for a second.
Speaker 2 26:37
Sorry. Yeah, but, you know, people started realizing after all these other multitude of people that we'll talk about that the prosperity gospel is fucked up. People use it to take advantage of you. So now TBN doesn't do that. It's just another form of Christianity. Whatever the fall. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So now I guess we'll jump into different scandals that happens gin and home. And these definitely aren't all of them. I'm sure there's some other ones that were swept under the rug. People don't know anything about but I mean, they've been on TV for like 50 fucking years. So there's gotta be a bunch of them. But in the year 2000, Paul was sued for $40 million by Authy at RCA Sylvia Fleener, who accused Paul of plagiarism in his popular in times novel, and subsequent movie, The Omega code. So basically, this author flener had written a book called The Omega syndrome. Oh, and Paul just took it and made his own shit. And a personal assistant that TBN ended up revealing that she encountered a binder in Jan's luggage that the crouch is referred to as the End Times project. And they often referred to it as the Omega, but they disliked the working title of that other lady's book, especially the word syndrome. So they're like, we're just gonna, like, take all your stuff, but kind of change the name a little bit. Yeah, wow. Okay. Yeah, Gaza. Yeah. Totally, if I can find. So they ended up settling the case out of court for an undisclosed sum. So, yeah, they got her money. Yeah, I guess. Though, I'm sure if it's a book about in times bullshit. She's probably not a great person either. Yeah. Again, preying on, I kind of go back and forth and doing this research of whether or not I feel bad for people that fall for this shit. Like, there's part of me that does, but there's another part of me that's like, I mean, a lot of these people that are super conservative and religious are not all but a lot of them are voting in ways that kind of strip people of their human rights. Yeah, yeah. So in a way I don't really feel bad. Yeah. swindles. Yeah. I don't know maybe some of them but
Speaker 1 29:40
yeah, I mean, in some cases, some cases I feel bad like some some I don't, I don't know. It's weird, mixed. Feeling things complicated. I feel sure. I feel like the majority of people might feel that that way. I mean, I think obviously, like in general, like it's just Most importantly the person doing the swindling. Yes I think everyone can agree is like fucked up. But yeah, like James Randi said anyone can be
Unknown Speaker 30:11
taken advantage of you just got to strike
Speaker 1 30:13
the right person. The right time, whatever. It's life. Yeah. And we got to call it out.
Speaker 2 30:24
The next one is in 2004 The Los Angeles Times reported that Paul Crouch had paid former TBN employee, Lonnie Ford, a $425,000 formal sediment sediment to end the wrong for now.
Speaker 2 30:54
They had paid a formal settlement to end a wrongful termination lawsuit that started in 1998. So Ford alleged that he and Paul Crouch had a homosexual tryst, which Thank you Wikipedia. That's a great phrase. During his employment with the Ministry TBN officials acknowledged the settlement but contested for its credibility, noting that he had previously been convicted for child molestation and drug abuse they got they got kicked out or pull the guy that got kicked out which I'm like, Why the fuck did you hire him in the first place? If that's true? That sounds like some NATO shit to make TBN look to man. Okay.
Speaker 1 31:41
I mean, either way, either way, like if they're hiring people like that. Yeah, if you're
Speaker 2 31:45
making it up, it's stupid. But also, why the fuck did you hire him in the first place? Because at this point, they have grandkids like, and they're hanging out here all the time. Yeah, they probably have a mansion at the headquarters too. So why would you hire a
Unknown Speaker 32:03
little mini man? Like normal houses.
Speaker 2 32:08
They have a diamond encrusted fucking tricycle that they ride through the halls.
Speaker 1 32:14
Some random run through the halls just like being bullies told the other kids like, Hey, kid, get with Jesus or bus and they fucking take.
Speaker 2 32:26
Yeah, so it ended up that he was arrested for drug related offenses and returned to prison for a year. And then after he got out of prison, that's when he threatened TBN with the sexual harassment thing. So it also is kind of weird on his end, because it's like he didn't accuse anybody of this until after he got out of prison. So it's like, okay, which shyster? Do we fucking believe? Yeah. There's truly no way to know. Yeah. But yeah, so they ended up coming to a settlement, which TVN says was made in order to avoid a lengthy and expensive lawsuit. for other reasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1 33:17
that kind of makes me feel like it's more legit. Not for other reasons. Like,
Speaker 2 33:22
I was having gay sex when I've said Being gay is not for that reason at all. Straight. I'm only attracted to women and pink wigs. Who look who are basically drag queens. Gifts, drag for the Lord.
Unknown Speaker 33:43
I would actually love to see that drag for the Lord.
Speaker 2 33:46
That would be pretty awesome. The next year in 2005 there's a lawsuit that comes up. So somewhere along the way in their fucking history TBN acquired what was called the Holy Land experience.
Speaker 1 34:04
Oh, it sounds like a water park or something.
Unknown Speaker 34:08
It's a Christian themed amusement park Yeah, it's um, it was in Orlando. Oh,
Speaker 1 34:18
is it still open? Because I think okay, I think I've seen like, just it after it closed because people go in and just kind of check it out. And they're like, this was like a huge waste of money.
Speaker 2 34:29
Oh, hell yeah. I didn't know about that. I couldn't find a ton about it. But it also had a museum with holy artifacts, which I'm sure they were stolen. As well as other attractions like I'm sure they had you know, fucking manger babies. thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 34:51
What I saw if it is the same place that it was just like, things, it was just like set up to look like old Bible land. I don't really know what else to call it. But you know, it's yeah, like you're saying, we just have these different scenes that's like, walk through and feel the experience like you were there. So yeah, like
Unknown Speaker 35:11
old books
Speaker 2 35:12
and scrolls and stuff. Yeah. So in 2001, Orange County refused the parks tax exemption request because they're like, this isn't it's a fucking amusement park. But yeah, in 2005,
Speaker 1 35:32
sorry, money that they actually tried to do. Yeah,
Speaker 2 35:36
no. Fucking slitter Bond was a couple Bible things on the wall like fuckery do. Funny. But in 2005, a judge ruled in favor of the park receiving the tax exemption like guide because of its religious mission, and not for profit status, likening the park to museums whose exhibits present historical information.
Unknown Speaker 36:06
Sure, sure.
Speaker 1 36:09
Sure, um, I just feel a little underage. But I'm just trying to not
Unknown Speaker 36:15
go all out.
Speaker 2 36:17
Back in Florida. The law prevented the county government in the state of Florida from collecting the parks previously owed $300,000 and unpaid property taxes. Yeah, so it took four years. And I guess they're continuing to charge some property taxes while this litigation is happening. But then in 2005, by the time the judge was like, you can't tax them. They're up to $300,000.
Unknown Speaker 36:47
Which is forgiven, I guess,
Unknown Speaker 36:49
God, that's why wouldn't it be?
Speaker 1 36:52
I just hate those like, Oh, we don't want to pay taxes. So we're just not gonna pay until like five years so we can get the court to. Yeah, God, but so shitty, they did get a
Speaker 2 37:04
little slap on the wrist. Oh, because they require the park to offer an annual free admissions day. Oh, one day out of the whole fucking year. They had to offer the public free stuff, which that is nothing. I'm
Speaker 1 37:23
trying to think of like, the dumbest, slowest day of the year, they could do it on. still show up. Yeah, they're like, Okay, we'll do it. But we'll do it on like, Oh, they're gonna be like, we'll do it on whatever day the Leap Year is. Some years. They don't have to do it.
Unknown Speaker 37:44
Yeah, you're probably
Unknown Speaker 37:47
February 30. I can't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 2 37:49
they're probably like, we're gonna do this Tuesday, when everyone just went back to school. Yeah, exactly. Something like that. But the property ended up closing down and it was sold in 2021. And it was recently demolished in 2023. Ah, okay, it didn't last. Now, we're gonna go back to the early 2010s. And we're gonna talk about lawsuits that Jan was more heavily involved in Oh, okay,
Unknown Speaker 38:26
I'll put my sunglasses on.
Speaker 2 38:30
So, the first one was filed by TBS, former director of finance, basically saying that tibia TBN unlawfully distributed over $50 million to the ministry's directors. Oh, okay. Which I'm how many directors
Unknown Speaker 38:54
Okay, yeah, I
Unknown Speaker 38:56
don't know how many. I just imagine it's like their kid? Yeah.
Speaker 1 39:04
Which is pretty common, and all these televangelists file churches?
Speaker 2 39:09
Yeah. So this one appears to kind of be ongoing. I wasn't really able to find a resolution on that one.
Speaker 3 39:18
And then, in 2012,
Speaker 2 39:24
crouch was accused by her granddaughter who was a former employee of misappropriating network funds to spend on a lavish lifestyle. She claimed that TBN appeared to have violated the IRS as ban on excessive consumption by nonprofit organizations, which Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you for calling out your fucking
Speaker 2 40:01
She gesturing wildly and knocking things over. Yeah, thanks for calling out your fucking bitch gram off Booker's
Speaker 1 40:09
so wait sorry this is all part of that 15 million that was this is Oh my god okay, so that's a million was not enough money yeah
Speaker 2 40:21
whatever the fuck was that and then their granddaughter who worked there was like yeah they're doing all this other shit too so the expenditures that they were saying were unnecessary included expensive homes private jets because why not massive custom wigs Jan You can't deny bought some fucking instead of buying dolls for Haiti earthquake
Unknown Speaker 40:59
I believe her wings have like their own house on their state tended to while she's while she's preaching she has
Speaker 2 41:09
like softly brushing, brush
Unknown Speaker 41:12
Islam takes them for walks.
Speaker 2 41:18
God also included in that was numerous facelifts and breast patients. I totally could tell that. Yeah. And I mean, you gotta have good looking jugs if Yeah, the Lord would want that when you're delivering his message. She is very excited Dolly Parton. And the last thing was $100,000 air conditioned mobile home solely for Jan's two dogs.
Unknown Speaker 41:47
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 41:49
So the doggies needed a place to go when they're on the road. So they had their own fucking Mega Bus Tour Bus.
Speaker 1 41:59
That is crazy. Because she could have you know, given that to someone who needed a house,
Speaker 2 42:05
I mean, they're fucking sorry. The New York Times wrote that Crouch for nearly two years. Also rented adjoining rooms for herself and her Maltese dogs at a deluxe hotel. While she was building the Holy Land experience. Theme Park in Orlando. Oh, so all this was probably like tax free to you. For them. Yeah, she's hanging out, doing fucking nothing. While they're building Holy Land experience, and she's in a separate room from her dogs for some reason. funny
Speaker 1 42:43
to me, because like, if I was going to bring my pets with me on vacation, I would want them in the same room with me. Yeah, and their
Speaker 2 42:51
own hotel room and then at times, they had a fucking mess. And, you know, those dogs were little shits, too, and we're probably ordering room service shitting all over the fucking place. Yeah, that's a good point, too. I'm sure she didn't have the time to toilet train them so they were just testing every I feel like they're
Speaker 1 43:11
those kind of rich people that just let their dogs shit and piss all over their mansions. Like, I don't know if you ever watched that thing. It was called like mansion of first sight or something. It was some rich man and woman who were going bankrupt and getting kicked out of her house. And so it was just
Unknown Speaker 43:31
it was just a little documentary
Speaker 1 43:32
about that. But uh, they had dogs and they just fucking shit and piss everywhere. And like, their kids were spoiled and they would ask their kids to clean it up and they fucking refused. So the mom always had to go around and clean it up
Unknown Speaker 43:45
zones borns. Yeah, basically yeah.
Speaker 1 43:49
Exactly. Religious. Exactly. Well, they weren't religious. I think they were
Unknown Speaker 43:55
Yeah
Unknown Speaker 43:58
Yeah, fucking terrible.
Speaker 1 44:00
So it just goes to show you no matter what you will even we're all the fucking same people are so
Unknown Speaker 44:06
fucking disgusting. In the same lawsuit
Speaker 3 44:11
it was also brought up that
Speaker 2 44:15
Jan had had an affair with a holy land experience employee Oh, which I'll get to here in a moment. I'll tie that back in here in a bit for
Speaker 1 44:26
some reason I imagine it being just like the lowest ranking like members that they could ever have.
Speaker 2 44:32
Oh when you find out you're so Kara crouch, which is Paul and Jan's granddaughter. She alleged another lawsuit. The is a huge fucking Burma
Unknown Speaker 44:50
suits Jesus. Yeah, I
Speaker 2 44:52
mean, they're the biggest Christian network in the world. So it makes
Speaker 3 44:56
sense. Damn. Yeah, I mean, It shouldn't make sense.
Unknown Speaker 45:03
For should not work, but it makes sense.
Speaker 2 45:05
Yes. So this one's a super fucking bummer, but Kara alleged that she was sexually assaulted by a TBN employee when she was 13 years old. She was staying at an Atlanta hotel during TV ins spring praise a thon in 2006. So they're probably all covered in fucking easter eggs and flowers and then poor Kara is over here by herself
Speaker 1 45:37
eaten a banana with a fork.
Speaker 2 45:41
Trying her best. And then some fucking weirdo. Oh, man. Yeah. Terrible.
Unknown Speaker 45:49
So
Speaker 2 45:52
she didn't file this lawsuit until she was an adult. I think if my math thing is correctly shoot, math is math incorrectly. She was like around 19 When she did this.
Speaker 3 46:03
Wow. Good for her. Yeah, that was pretty, like, young and stuff since she was young like that. Yeah. Yeah. So
Speaker 2 46:15
she had initially gone to her grandma for fucking help, because she's the only woman I guess that she could trust at that time. Yeah, they're at this event. And her grandma basically was like, sweep it under the rug. This didn't happen. Which this is the point where I was like, You know what, Jan? I am glad you're dead. Yeah. fucking awful. totally awful. You have all this wealth, all this respect. And you can't if I can help your granddaughter, yeah, you can protect your family. Like, absolutely. Fuck off. That's yeah, yeah. So Jan and her attorney blamed her for the incident. They decided, okay,
Unknown Speaker 47:14
she she said she was like 14 or whatever.
Speaker 2 47:19
Okay, which you know how these fucking whack jobs are. They probably were like, well, that dress you're wearing too revealing. It's
Speaker 1 47:27
like, well, we saw you eating that banana with a fork. But it wasn't enough. It
Speaker 2 47:31
wasn't good enough. This was your fault. So Kara was blamed for the incident by her grandmother and the attorney. But they had not yet agreed to fire the employee at this point. Because they were afraid that he was going to file for unemployment. And they were going to have to pay more money.
Speaker 1 47:51
Oh my god. Ah, I wish I had something to stick in my fucking eyeballs right
Unknown Speaker 47:57
now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 48:00
Everybody was like, it's your fault. But then also some people are like, this didn't happen. So there's like conflicting stories of like, bullshit that they're telling her
Unknown Speaker 48:11
man I'm
Speaker 2 48:14
so sorry that she was born into that family. Yeah, well, there is slightly good news. They died in 2017 A year after Jan crashes death jury awarded cara $2 million in damages. But the sad part is that so awful to read. They found that Jan had not been acting as a Trinity clergy member during this time she was acting as carers grandmother. Therefore she wasn't legally required to report report the assault which I don't even understand legally fucking what they're like well it's not a it's not a business matter because at this point in time she was being her grandma not a TV an employee. That is
Unknown Speaker 49:11
so fucking Sherry
Unknown Speaker 49:13
Yeah
Speaker 2 49:17
hopefully Kara is having a good life now. Maybe two mil I feel like that's not enough fucking Penny compared to all the shit that they have. I mean, I'm glad that she got
Speaker 3 49:28
something but yeah, yeah, it's a Yeah, compared with like
Unknown Speaker 49:33
what they have and what she wins.
Speaker 2 49:35
She treats her granddaughter deserves better, but, but there is kind of a good thing here in a second.
Unknown Speaker 49:50
So Paul and
Speaker 2 49:52
Jan had two sons that both worked for TBN the oldest one is Paul Jr. The youngest one is Matt. So Paul Jr. and his wife ended up breaking away from the church, for reasons I'll get to in a second. But he and his wife, I guess, have like a little video podcast thing on YouTube. So I watched the one about why he left TBA. My YouTube algorithm was gonna be fucked and watching religious program.
Unknown Speaker 50:30
So that's how much I love you to see your end. Oh,
Speaker 2 50:34
my God, I started getting a couple of weird ones. There was one I got though. It showed a couple of like, Rainbow banners of Austin ISD. And it was like, really burned. Aren't you happy with the current state of Texas schools? Oh, my God. Yeah. So it's starting. Yeah. So Brenda interviews her husband and talks about, you know why Paul Jr. Left. And Paul starts out saying that his dad, who I'm gonna refer to as Daddy Paul now, just so that there's less confusion. Daddy pole started dealing with alcoholism in the early 2000s. Okay,
Unknown Speaker 51:17
like most dads, like, typical.
Speaker 2 51:19
Yes. And so Daddy Paul was going on air drunk. Oh, my God. Yeah. Because they had shows that they would do every day. You know? It was like watching the news. Except you're watching Jan and Paul's funny, say, like,
Speaker 1 51:38
an early show or like, so he would drink like in the, like, more?
Unknown Speaker 51:43
The timeframe but yeah, he was just like fucked up all the time.
Unknown Speaker 51:47
I don't mean to laugh at like alcohol.
Speaker 2 51:52
Don't give a shit drink himself to shut himself on stage. Yeah. And it was kind of sad because Paul Jr. started crying when he was talking about like his dad dealing with alcoholism and stuff. And around the same time, Paul, so also had problems with his younger brother, Matt. So, Matt, I guess one of the power that his older brother had within TBN. Basically, Paul
Unknown Speaker 52:19
Paul, that Paul Jr. had?
Speaker 1 52:22
Yeah, okay. Yeah, make sure I have a straight. Oh, yeah. Sorry.
Unknown Speaker 52:25
So at some point, Matt told
Speaker 2 52:30
daddy Paul, like, Hey, I got into Paul Jr's emails. And there's all this crazy stuff in his email. Like he's doing drugs. And he's having all these affairs and like a look at this stuff. Daddy Paul,
Speaker 1 52:46
through my sleeve, right, just exactly. Yes. That's
Speaker 2 52:50
what I was thinking as I read it. Yes. Tell on each other. Siblings are always fucking trying to get one more dollar than my fucking brother. That's what happened. And to me, that's crazy. I don't know if it's because Daddy Paul was just like so shit faced or whatever. But like,
Unknown Speaker 53:15
why didn't he look on
Speaker 2 53:17
Paul Jr's computer? Or why didn't Matt print out these emails? If that were true? Yeah. So it's just all hearsay. Yeah. But then Danny Paul just kind of accepts it. And this creates a rift with Paul Jr. Oh,
Speaker 3 53:31
and then around this drama.
Speaker 2 53:36
Drama. So around this time, Paul found out about Cara, he didn't even know about that. That's his daughter. Oh, okay. Yeah, carriers, his daughter. So Paul found out that jam, Jan, basically, victim shamed her.
Unknown Speaker 53:54
And, you know,
Speaker 2 53:56
he first learned about all this shit when the lawsuit was happening. So Paul, Jr. was baffled, of course by how his parents were acting about it. And his brother Matt didn't really seem to care about Kara's case. And it was just kind of like, Jana and Paul, like, sweep it under the rug, whatever. And Paul, Jr. was very upset, of course, and was like, hey, my brother Matt has kids like, why is he not sympathetic? Like this could have happened to his child, you know? And he said of Matt. I would rather kill myself than harm a child like that, which I'm like, okay, Paul, Jr. You may be in okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm down. I mean, Paul, Jr. and Kara are probably the least least evil people in the story will definitely care. But Paul Jr. Maybe he's not evil. Yeah, he might have some some hope. He might. Yeah, we'll see. Then around this time of fucking chaos when everything is happening poll also found parking lot footage of Jan kissing a guy in the parking lot of the Holy Land experience which sounds like Karen discovered it and then Paul discover pa Jr discovered it like on their own at different times oh okay like multiple people are finding out like hey Jan's like federal fucking around and do you want to guess she was kissing in the parking lot
Unknown Speaker 55:33
the what is it called the people that park your car the valet
Speaker 2 55:41
she was kissing Jesus Christ the person that played him
Unknown Speaker 55:50
in costume
Unknown Speaker 55:52
oh my god
Speaker 1 55:55
oh that is so funny and just this fucked up even more
Speaker 2 56:01
insane like it sounds made up and even Paul in the interview he's like hey if if I told this whole story with all the details that I'm keeping back people would think it was a bad movie and like it already sounds that way
Speaker 1 56:14
that's kind of like unrighteous gemstones when the chick flick and had the affair with the musician guy or whatever right yeah man yeah there's so God I going through and doing some of this research just makes me appreciate that show like so much more. Yes.
Speaker 2 56:33
If you haven't watched it it's an HBO show and it's follows a family of televangelist and yeah, it's very similar to this. Yeah, it's got a really good cast. Yeah, really good. And I'll probably be talking a little bit about them later and like some parallels and stuff. But um, yeah, basically Jan was like, I don't know what you're talking about. But me and daddy Paul really want you to drop this lawsuit or get Kara to drop this lawsuit. That's what we're focusing on.
Unknown Speaker 57:07
So they asked
Speaker 2 57:11
they asked carriers dad Paul Jr. Hey, can you just get your daughter to drop this lawsuit even though we hid it from you for years and shamed your daughter? We're gonna need you to talk to her. Jesus. Literally, yes. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 57:30
Oh, that's what chancer?
Speaker 2 57:35
Yeah. So they were fucking pissed and you know Daddy Paul's like and there's these emails like so. Paul is just crazy. So they asked him to resign and they gave their son a two weeks severance pay two
Unknown Speaker 57:53
weeks Oh wow. Two
Unknown Speaker 58:00
weeks
Speaker 1 58:03
did they do you know if they like cut them off from like all or like the Versa family's money and stuff like that? I don't
Speaker 2 58:10
know those details. But I do know Paul Jr. never came back. It seems like him and his wife kind of have their own ministry now. But his brother Matt. He stepped up and he got Paul Jr's role. Oh, which okay to hear in a second. Wait,
Speaker 1 58:31
is Matt Kara's dad or is that Paul Jr.
Speaker 2 58:35
Paul Jr. is cares down. So Matt would be her uncle. Okay, Gal, juniors, brother, younger brother. So within a year of Paul Jr, leaving TBN daddy Paul was deceased. He died at his home in Orange, California on November 30th. Oh, that's my Oh, this is a beautiful blessing from the Lord. Wow.
Speaker 1 59:04
That was your wedding. That is really fucking
Unknown Speaker 59:07
funny. I stayed before that. It just clicked right now.
Unknown Speaker 59:18
I'm so
Speaker 2 59:21
sorry. I was second guessing myself doing the math. I'm like, Wait, is that right? Yeah, that was Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 59:27
What was the date? November 30 2013 2013.
Speaker 2 59:31
But yeah, but George gives me a hard time but for some reason. I was think we got married in 2012. But we didn't it's 2013 Sometime I've numbers are gonna see
Unknown Speaker 59:44
that. Yeah, they're hard. So after Daddy crouch
Speaker 2 59:49
died. Then Jan and her son Matt took over the network. So they're the ones doing all the CEO shifts and running The show extorting probably tons and tons of money. Yeah, having sex
Speaker 1 1:00:07
with cheeses, keeping the salsa network going,
Speaker 2 1:00:13
doing all kinds of shit. So that was 2013. Then a couple years later, Jan declares may as healing month. And that's kind of her little thing that she's talking about. So I guess it's like, Is there
Speaker 1 1:00:30
also mental health awareness? Like she just like fucking plagiarized that too. Like, the stigma of mental health, so we're going to call it healing.
Speaker 2 1:00:43
I didn't think about that, but she could definitely use that much more made up healing. So during healing month on May 25, she suffers a massive stroke.
Speaker 3 1:00:58
Oh, during healing month, during
Speaker 2 1:01:02
healing month in 2016. And she was hospitalized. She lived for a couple days. And then she died on the last day of healing month on May 31. At age 78, perfect.
Speaker 1 1:01:20
full wrap up was her boyfriend Jesus fireside.
Speaker 3 1:01:26
I don't know. I'm actually not sure.
Speaker 2 1:01:29
Oh, but I forgot to write this down in my notes, but I watched little bits and pieces of her funeral mainly because I thought they would have her casket there and I just wanted to see her diamond and crust and like which way they put stuff, but it was more like a memorial service. So see your core. So that was a bummer. Did you Google her dead body? I did. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a Neil Patrick Harris. Amin.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:03
Oh my god. No for Easter.
Speaker 2 1:02:07
Easter. Yet we're still dealing month we have today is the 25th That's the day she had her stroke. Oh, shit. Please,
Speaker 1 1:02:20
maybe you'll be listening to this on the day that she died was my baby.
Speaker 2 1:02:24
Wow, crazy. But I watched her funeral. And they had you know, it's in this crazy mega church thing. But then they would put in clips of different pastors and people that they talked to. And one of the people that you're going to talk about, said something for her funeral. Said a Joel Osteen. People so yeah, they had they were on there talking about how the spirit was so fucking great and inspired their journeys. Oh, they just want to make as much money as she does. Yeah. They're like, Man, this bitch knew how to make money. Fall in her footsteps. Yeah, so that's the story of Jan and Paul Crouch Trinity Broadcasting Network. Still on air today.
Speaker 3 1:03:18
Wow. All those different ones are Bob Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 1:03:23
Little salsa. Yeah, the different ones.
Speaker 1 1:03:26
They should go the French one. This is gonna be like baguette.
Speaker 2 1:03:32
Baguette. Yeah, and Matt Crouch is still the CEO or whatever the fuck of TBN and he has a company an independent film company. So they show some of his Christian films on TV. At some point, I'll watch one and tell everybody about it because I I don't see how it can be good in any way shape or form.
Speaker 1 1:04:00
Yeah, I would like to talk about some of those one day cuz I have seen stuff for like Christian streaming platforms. And they're that that one guy that like dated that 16 year old. He was like a preacher that she turned 18 And he's like, happy birthday to like my happy 60th anniversary. Yeah, to my 18 year old girlfriend now now we can talk about it. But that guy made a movie. I think she's in it I might be mistaken. But it's like it's like a Christians view of like post apocalyptic I guess because they're like Bibles not allowed. So they started their own little way. Oh, yeah. belly in and they're getting like, harassed. She seen it? Yeah, it's really stupid. It's really funny. One
Speaker 2 1:04:53
thing about a Christian they love the idea of being persecuted. Yeah, can love Uh, yeah. Like the whole thing was Columbine when, you know, one of the shooters allegedly said, you know, do you believe in God and then when the girl said yeah, you know, shot her in the hole.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:11
They run with that.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:15
Like Christians like run with that shit.
Speaker 2 1:05:17
I mean, I see, like cringe compilations of, like Christians stitching that and being like oh my god shoot me. Yeah so I thought we talked about it on the podcast but mainly when
Speaker 1 1:05:32
we're talking about the Columbine or since I can't remember what did they call them? They had named Ray. Yeah, he talked about it.
Speaker 2 1:05:39
I think combiners I think yeah. Yeah, fucking lasers. But yeah, Christians are all about that shit. Like, I'd love to die for God.
Speaker 1 1:05:49
I know that they love being oppressed. But no, they use that specific scenario sometimes. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Sorry
Unknown Speaker 1:05:59
to make you go. Fine.
Speaker 1 1:06:01
I was just like, just like, wow, that's a that's something to pick out of that scenario and try to use for your own thing, I guess.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:13
Yeah, so, um,
Speaker 2 1:06:15
thanks, everybody, for listening to our first installment. We're definitely gonna have more. I mean, this may be like a really long
Speaker 1 1:06:25
series might be a little longer than we thought. And if you're into that, that's great. If you're not take a break. Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:06:33
Yeah, we're gonna come up with some palate cleansing things because, yeah, this is pretty heavy. I can get
Unknown Speaker 1:06:41
a little heavy sometimes. Yeah, bad.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:47
But yeah, yeah. If
Speaker 2 1:06:49
you have any religious stories of your own any mega church or televangelists type shit that you want to tell us? We would love to read that on the podcast? Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 1:07:01
Even if it's just like a personal story of the one time you went to church and weird. Three things happened. Yes. Um, when I was younger, I went to a church thing. And I can't remember what type of church it was. But I spent the night at my friend's house and she was like, You should. You should my church is doing this thing. So you can come with us in the morning. I was like, okay, cool. And man, that was just weird. And I asked Jesus into my heart.
Speaker 2 1:07:31
Oh, my God, you will once and they were like, you need to do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1 1:07:35
they're all because they had like all the kids in their own little kid thing. And, you know, the lady was like, All right, we're all gonna take these ribbons and do this thing that's gonna ask. Ask God into your hearts
Speaker 2 1:07:46
without asking your parents any of this shit or just like
Speaker 1 1:07:52
army? I mean, I don't really know what's going on. I was there doing? Damn. So yeah, if you have anything like that, just write us in and we'd love to share it. hopefully help you get through. Like cringy or disgusting moment, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2 1:08:11
Yeah, it's a good way to kind of process some of the shit too.
Unknown Speaker 1:08:17
Cuz, you know, I
Speaker 2 1:08:18
wouldn't say I was like, very heavily indoctrinated. But sometimes I still have thoughts like, Oh, I'm gonna go to hell. And I'm like, I don't want that to be there.
Speaker 1 1:08:30
I are so glad that I didn't not grow up with religion, because I can't even imagine having that kind of guilt feels like and it feels like such a unnecessary stress. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I feel bad
Speaker 2 1:08:45
with that on kids that don't know how the world works yet.
Speaker 1 1:08:50
So yeah, and I'm reading some of the Duggar kids, daughters books, and they talk a lot about like that, like guilt and people pleasing kind of stuff. So yeah, anyway, check out all that stuff, I guess. Right?
Speaker 2 1:09:08
Yeah. Oh, in this episode, on some family cleanse.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:13
Jesus loves you. Yes.
Speaker 2 1:09:14
Thank you for being with me today, Sister Croley on this beautiful blessed day. It's my
Unknown Speaker 1:09:25
sister Lynn. It's my pleasure.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:27
Your sister Lynn.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:28
Thank you. Party on listeners. Thank you